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Originally posted by faust@Mar 25th, 2004 - 11:11 pm
haha, a new topic needed, "definition of art"
i guess we can squeeze this in here faust

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I think "applied art" is best and most apporpriate for describing fashion and architecture. I think that is the term I was trying to get at in my previous posts.

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I want to be a fashion designer someday, and personally, think this question about art and not art is ridiculous and a waste of time. Anything is art, anything is not art. You need an artistic mind which is one that can follow right brain expressions but still keep in mind the left brain, including measurements. Painters need to make measurements of their canvas before painting. Architects need measurements, then they apply their artistic ideas. Fashion desingers create ideas and then make their ideas fit human bodies. It is not one or the other. It is both hand in hand. They link together, to create a tangible object. That tangible object is seen as art to those who can see it. Those who can't see it, I feel very bad for them.

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even when you're just doing function eg. a building aren't there many paths towards that function? could picking a certain path be artistic expression...?

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Originally posted by mikeijames@Mar 25th, 2004 - 2:28 pm
i would have to counter and say that architecture and fashion are both artistic expressions. and i counter that all art has function. if you simply need covering you don't sit down and sketch, you wrap yourself in a sheet of plastic. if you need shelter, you don't hire a well known architect, you huddle under a cardboard box. as far as the other arts...they are part of the cultural exercises we all go through. if you buy a new apartment, you don't buy art simply because it pleases you, you buy art to fill up space and to personalize your living area. it's the same with a garment. while some might just go out and buy a pair of ratty jeans, other of us go and buy something eye catching that livens our exterior. fashion design is an artistic artform.
i agree.

art can be completely functionable. there are different levels of dedication and purpose of art.

a painting stresses other abstract ideas than a dress or a building but it's still art.

even basic things have some type of art form.

sometimes white canvases sell for millions of dollars and they are just as basic as a white tank and a cube brick building

applied art is still art!

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Originally posted by sewingfairy3@Mar 25th, 2004 - 5:54 pm
I want to be a fashion designer someday, and personally, think this question about art and not art is ridiculous and a waste of time. Anything is art, anything is not art. You need an artistic mind which is one that can follow right brain expressions but still keep in mind the left brain, including measurements. Painters need to make measurements of their canvas before painting. Architects need measurements, then they apply their artistic ideas. Fashion desingers create ideas and then make their ideas fit human bodies. It is not one or the other. It is both hand in hand. They link together, to create a tangible object. That tangible object is seen as art to those who can see it. Those who can't see it, I feel very bad for them.
so you say acting and music aren't art?

because they are not tangible.

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everything is a type of art form but everything is not art in the strict definition of the term. in my book everyone is -or could be- an artist but not everyone is/could be a fine artist without studying art in depth.

blank canvas? well, dont believe the hype loserunit

art needs craftmanship and freedome of expression
talking as a fashion designer, i insist, fashion design (like industial desing or architecture) is applied art.

excuses for being so blunt but even though creativity is everywhere and all the time, there is no question on the differences between 'everyday art or the art of living' 'fine art' and 'applied art'


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well said.

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Originally posted by Lena@Mar 25th, 2004 - 5:08 pm
art is created free of commercialism.
when picasso or clemente sit in front of an empty canvas,
they dont think about fit, costs, distributions or raw materials
and that makes a tremendous difference my dearest purplelucrezia
Artists still need to feed themselves, just like everyone else.

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Originally posted by purplelucrezia+Mar 26th, 2004 - 12:49 am--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(purplelucrezia @ Mar 26th, 2004 - 12:49 am)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lena@Mar 25th, 2004 - 5:08 pm
art is created free of commercialism.
when picasso or clemente sit in front of an empty canvas,
they dont think about fit, costs, distributions or raw materials
and that makes a tremendous difference my dearest purplelucrezia
Artists still need to feed themselves, just like everyone else. [/b][/quote]
of course they do, but they absolutely dont think about $$ or about how much a painting (etc) will sell for while they are in creative mode.
they start thinking about this 'after' not 'during'
..it makes quite some difference imHo

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I apologize for the tanglible comment. I was focusing on fashion design and producing clothing. Performing arts and Visual arts are included in artistic exression. I'm sorry, I wasn't focused on all types of art.

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art is created free of commercialism.
when picasso or clemente sit in front of an empty canvas,
they dont think about fit, costs, distributions or raw materials
and that makes a tremendous difference my dearest purplelucrezia*

Artists still need to feed themselves, just like everyone else.
of course they do, but they absolutely dont think about $$ or about how much a painting (etc) will sell for while they are in creative mode.
they start thinking about this 'after' not 'during'
..it makes quite some difference imHo [/b][/quote]
It depends on the artist of course. But it must be admitted that there's a reason for the popularity of paintings with cloying subjects.
Most artists don't get a thrill from painting pots of flowers; it's supply and demand.

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The beginning stages of design is what many consider applied art but when you count the end results of the selling aspects and the fact that one wears the clothing designed, it is NOT. As far as being creative and expressive,that's the same as any other medium for me, such as music(one sells CD's and records,non?)or even filmaking. And in both the musician or the director can be creative and still sell,so why is it so difficult to seperate the notions between art and fashion? Neither are the same to me whatsoever. Of course,you have those pretentious personalities who are always trying thread a certain vein between the two but those people don't have a grasp on reality,imo.

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orochian and lena have very eloquently expressed my basic feelings on this issue...although i did not always see this so clearly...i think that learning about the business side of the fashion industry gives one a clearer view of the 'big picture'...i know it's opened my eyes to a whole new perspective and understanding...

purple and loserunit-not every form of creative expression falls into the fine art category...cooking can be creative...lovemaking can even be creative...do you call that art?...not really...fine art takes creativity to the extreme, with no boundaries or limitations other than that of your own imagination...i think its only purpose is to express the artist's point of view...it's actually a great luxury...to have the freedom to create without having to think about what anyone else will think of it...to make art only for oneself, can be quite liberatiing..
i think many designers are artists at heart, but the work they do to pay the rent is not necessarily art...
when i used to do visual design...many of the people i worked with were artists and were just doing windows to pay the rent...they did not consider the displays they worked on art, even though they were artists and this was a very creative endeavor.. it's very hard to be an artist unless you have a rich family or sponsor...if you don't, then you have to get a job to support yourself...


i also agree with lena that applied arts can actually be more challenging...sometimes it's even more fun...like a puzzle to solve...given a set of conditions, find the best solution...
that's how i see it, anyway




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Originally posted by loserunit@Mar 24th, 2004 - 10:32 pm

fashion is art. any type of expression is considered art. sure if may not be the fine art that you refer to as do whatever the hell you want.

design is just as much art an oil painting.

you can't go to a trade school and just become a great designer, it's like becoming a mechanic.

some people just have a natural design and composition sense and that is why most design programs, or at least the better ones, not the FITs of the country, at located at acclaimed FINE art schools that offer fine art as well as more industrial.

but don't say it's not art.
I totally agree with you, Fashion is art. id outn udnerstand that just becuas youc an wear it dosn't make ti art, Of coarse we ahve to work within the boudaries of our medium , all people ahve to do this, btu if there is an intention twords creativety and expression I dount see hwo it could not be considered art.

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