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^So we should make our own clothes?
yes or find a way to wear the clothes so it's interesting to you, so it's more personal, so it has nothing to do with thinking about innovation and comparison w/ other people, so it is just simply for satisfying your aesthetics and your own pleasure, just like multitudes says...

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A question for you all, why waist your time on something that bores you so much?

I really don't understand, if people think it's getting so boring, why use all this energy, why not use it on something that excites you!
What really bores me is this constant holding on to these outdated terms as the "new", "moving forward" etc., this nostalgia! what ever happened to the excitement and sensations when you feel the fabric of the cloth touching your body, when you see a certain shape, a silhuette passes you in the street, textures, materials, surfaces, forms, colours, lines ... I feel it! I get excited! I have desires! why do people keep hanging on to these limiting terms, these closed/definable points in fashion? It seems like only few people get aesthetically touched by clothing nowadays!
from me for your comment - couldn't agree more. Why people log onto a fashion blog to complain that all fashion is boring is a mystery to me. I picked up two fashion/design magaizines at the weekend (Surface and Bon) and found the melding of fashion, design and photography mesmerising. Yes there are a lot of styles which are "in" but surely thats a good thing -it means people can play with different styles and mix them up and be individual? To say you find fashion boring is defeatist in my opinion - if you really love it you will find ways to make it inspire you.

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For those who are bored with fashion, what can designers do to un-bore you? Make pants with three legs, shirts with no sleeve holes? Would you wear these clothes? What exactly can they do that hasn't been done already?

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Who has said ALL fashion is boring? I think we are only discussing the state of fashion NOW, which means 2007. Of course we should pick clothing that suits to our own aesthetic, but what if our aesthetic dream is to be moving forward? What if we are bored of what is being offered to us right now? I would have no problem dressing like they did in the Fifties, and being all elegance, quality materials and pillbox hats, but I can't do that because I don't like looking like I came out of a costume party.

How many designers produce anything that matches my aesthetic dreams? None at the moment. The likes of Ann Demeulemeester and Hussein Chalayan might make my life with fashion a little bit easier, but it still does not make me think fashion is going to a good direction. I crave the time of Dior and Balenciaga to come back, or then something completely new.

I wish I could sew and make my own clothes, but I can't. That's why I have to rely on people/factories who can do that. Those people are not matching my aesthetics, nor doing anything else than making everything look cheap and recycle trends.

Why can't we go back to time when it was important to dress appropriately and always remember quality?

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maybe its a little bit boring beacause they repeat on there selfs. i can see clothes from now and they look like clothes from the 60s so...its nothing new. but i still think that the clothe are beautiful and wearabel. i dont really agree with it

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i don't necessarily think every designer should be following the way of hussein chalayan or making pants with three legs, haha. but i am just so sick of the conservatism that i feel has plagued fashion lately. it seems that everyone now is either trying too hard or not enough. where is the art and originality of each designer? everyone seems to succumb to the trends and while i know it is strategic for business, it makes each designer lose their individuality when every collection in a season is so similiar. remember when everyone was doing their own thing, i mean you KNEW immediately the mark of a designer.

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Who has said ALL fashion is boring? I think we are only discussing the state of fashion NOW, which means 2007. Of course we should pick clothing that suits to our own aesthetic, but what if our aesthetic dream is to be moving forward? What if we are bored of what is being offered to us right now? I would have no problem dressing like they did in the Fifties, and being all elegance, quality materials and pillbox hats, but I can't do that because I don't like looking like I came out of a costume party.

How many designers produce anything that matches my aesthetic dreams? None at the moment. The likes of Ann Demeulemeester and Hussein Chalayan might make my life with fashion a little bit easier, but it still does not make me think fashion is going to a good direction. I crave the time of Dior and Balenciaga to come back, or then something completely new.

I wish I could sew and make my own clothes, but I can't. That's why I have to rely on people/factories who can do that. Those people are not matching my aesthetics, nor doing anything else than making everything look cheap and recycle trends.

Why can't we go back to time when it was important to dress appropriately and always remember quality?
So you mean when Dior and Balenciaga came out, they were new? When I think of them, I think of silhouettes. But aren't there new shapes now... there is a lot of these boxy and loose shapes at Marni and other brands this spring that I haven't seen much before in fashion--I always felt people go for clothes that were fitted closer to the body.
I guess if you have a specific aesthetic and have to buy your clothes, then if the shops don't meed your needs, you're simply just ...doomed Well, I guess you could always find a starting designer or a seamstress friend who will create clothes you design It would be interesting if you replied to Madhuri's question... From reading your post and then reading the last statement, I'm a bit confused by "dress appropriately." How can you dress appropriately if you want something new...actually now I don't know at all what I am asking.
Hey maybe Zazie has a similar taste...and I remember she was happy w/ some of the brands this season

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It would be interesting if you replied to Madhuri's question... From reading your post and then reading the last statement, I'm a bit confused by "dress appropriately." How can you dress appropriately if you want something new...actually now I don't know at all what I am asking.
That's a good question. I think you're right. Probably when fashion does start to move forward it will not be instantly liked.

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from me for your comment - couldn't agree more. Why people log onto a fashion blog to complain that all fashion is boring is a mystery to me. I picked up two fashion/design magaizines at the weekend (Surface and Bon) and found the melding of fashion, design and photography mesmerising. Yes there are a lot of styles which are "in" but surely thats a good thing -it means people can play with different styles and mix them up and be individual? To say you find fashion boring is defeatist in my opinion - if you really love it you will find ways to make it inspire you.
So if you like something you just have to blindly follow it? If you're a musician, does that mean that you happily have to swallow every crap album that's put out? No. I love fashion, but in it's current state, I'm bored out of my mind. Everything is simple, wearable, feminine. No one wants to really push boundaries, because pushing boundaries doesn't sell to Mrs. X in X City.

People complain because they love fashion and they want to recapture those feelings and ideas that made them love it in the first place.

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Who siad anything about blindly follow??? i think this debate is getting fairly heated and a bit b*tchy (to my mild amusement). The topic and difference of opinion is quite simple. My point is simply that for those who feel bored with fashion they should extent their source(s) of inspiration until they find something interesting. What is it about fashion that you find boring - whats been churned out on Net a Porter?!?!? Yes of course if you look at mainstream lines which are produced only with commercial success in mind then they are boring. Its the same with music. You can look at the charts and say "music is all the same, its been done before, its boring and commercial" but there are other sources of music musicians doing really interesting stuff and trying to push the boundaries. My point is simply that it is up to individuals to find inspiration in an alternative place - as opposed to just writing off the season (and therefore, by default all designers) as boring.

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^ But what if there are no interesting indie or as you said "non-mainstream" designers either? What if we crave for something new, for a revolution, and no one offers that to us? What then?

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^well i guess like i said, we have to make or get someone to make the clothes we want then but i remember, whitelinen, some time ago you posted in one of these threads that you don't even buy designer pieces...so that will leave you to these ordinary malls i suppose or thrift shops... and i don't see any possible hope in those places :p or maybe you just meant luxury labels which you don't buy.

but really, i'm so curious now, you want these 'new' clothes. if you had your wish, how would these new clothes look like ? what is different about them ? or do you know\

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I don't buy designer because I don't have the money to buy designer What I mean is that I probably wouldn't go crazy on Chanel (well, maybe one black 2.55), but there are a lot of other designers. Indie designers, non-mainstream designers are designers, no? I don't like malls or thrift shops either. I would be buying piles of Ann Demeulemeester, LIMI Feu, Yohji Yamamoto and Charles Anastase if I could afford them and if they were sold in my country.

I wish I could find someone to make my clothes... I have thought about the idea a lot more after this thread. Is there anyone who would want to be my couturiere?

As for what the new,innovative clothes should be, I don't know. I am not innovative, at least on clothes. But something new, something that does not recycle from past trends. It's hard for any designer to come up with something like that though, I think.

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Ah that makes sense...
Hmm the designers you mentioned, they definitely have their own styles--I don't know about saying they are all innovative though, especially Anastase. I guess their work is just more design and experimentation rather than reviving vintage styles and so on. They each have their own look.

Reviving vintage style I guess this is what you mean by recycling past trends? Sometimes though, they give it a more contemporary look or reference an established style (like an ethnic style) and simplify, make it more contemporary... is this part of recycling trends?

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No, I wasn't saying Anastase (or any of the other designers I mentioned) are innovative, it was just a thought of what I would want to buy in regards of buying designer

I think all that you mention is recycled style, but even all the "new ideas" every season (minimalism, futurism etc) are recycled. No one comes up with new ideas anymore, they just take too much influence from past decades instead of discovering something that is mostly new. It is possibly not possible to not be influenced by past at all, but right now all fashion is inspired solely by the past.

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