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i was thinking that too... it's also maybe impossible not to find references in fashion design to past styles. the only way though to be sure is to ask the designer personally if they meant for it to reference minimalism, etc
i like the designers you mentioned. it might be fun to be your couturier, --i remember asyoulikeit does designs for people, but i never see her here anymore (her style might be different though). and,i'm only starting to make clothes for myself now..though if your designs are quite simple.. oh! that would be interesting--i would have to make a portfolio first

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i think new designers like Gareth Pugh and Christopher Kane in the UK are innovating. Although i agree with the person who posted on the first page to say that more should be done to support new innovative designers - I read an interview with Gareth Pugh recently and he was still pretty much living in a squat. But at least these people are putting a fresh face on fashion. WhiteLinen - would you not consider altering your clothes to make them more individual? I'm not big into sewing myself but i think if i were as disillusioned as you seem to be i would start messing with my clothes to personalise them and make them more to my taste. What is it you would like to see from designers? I mean at the end of the day fashion is constrained by a number of factors (unlike, say, an art installation which can take any shape or form) including the fact that it has to fit a person and -unless you're a model- it should flatter the wearer. Also, i guess theres a limit to how many necklines can be invented etc. So for me innovation comes now from textiles or shapes and mixing stuff up.

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I think I already answered in my post above. I don't know what should be the new thing - I would be a designer then - but I want something new, exciting, scary and fresh. Something that is mostly based on new ideas.

Why do we say there is nothing left to be discovered? Is that a fact? I think it is just the way we think, not a fact.

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hmm the real problem, i think is that creativity is constrained by commercial success - what shops demand or what will sell. I guess its the same in any artistic form - i remember being in an art gallery before, it was owned by someone i knew... and they were telling an artist to produce small pictures for an upcoming show cause they sell better. Sad really - i thought to myself if i were an artist i would be disillusioned. Maybe commercialism will reach a critical mass and then people will stop looking at big brands and big names and go back to buying direct from small designers. I know in Australia there seems to be a realy strong independant fashion insustry. Thats a good model in my opinion but im not a fashion "insider" so i could be off the mark in my assumptions! But when i was living in london i remember going down to Brighton for a weekend and being blown away by the clothes being sold at stalls in a market there. For me this is one reason why i love London - there is a great market tradition and designers can start off selling like this.

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Yes, it is sad that you can't do anything today if it doesn't sell

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i find fashion flat, for the last few seasons and the market is a mess too

it must be all about economy, but 'fashion' seems too safe and boring, if it wasnt for the young street fashion, subculture(s) and the very young generation of unknown local designers, i wouldnt be interested any more

excuses but mainstream luxe has never been more predictable

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maybe because there is no one who would excite the fashion scene anymore, someone with a powerful impact, a trend setter.
before it was Dior with his new look, then Yves came & after years JPG & Lacroix came into the fashion scene & in the 90's there was Galliano & now i think
Tom Ford is missing?? even if not everyone likes him, but he used to shock the fashion scene from time to time.


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I wish I could find someone to make my clothes... I have thought about the idea a lot more after this thread. Is there anyone who would want to be my couturiere?

As for what the new,innovative clothes should be, I don't know. I am not innovative, at least on clothes. But something new, something that does not recycle from past trends. It's hard for any designer to come up with something like that though, I think.
For weeks I have been thinking about what to do with 6 metres of silk that my mother got me. I browsed style.com and NAP over and over again. And then I realized that it just doesn't work. When I had a closer look I found that everything was the same done again and again. And then I was confused. I actually had to think about what I like instead of what some random editor likes or what some trend agency claims we'll be wearing next season. It's surprisingly hard to figure out what works for me. I need to keep away from magazines and high street stores and everything trendified for a long time. I don't want others to dictate what I should think of a certain garnment.

Honestly, I think the trendification (is that a word? ) of fashion is the problem. It's not hard for a designer to come up with something new, but everything needs to fit in to some kind of trend to get noticed at all.

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I don't know, I think it's fun... we get to take styles from different decades, so there is so much you can do. And it's easy to change your look. Yesterday I wore this really chic outfit in all black, and today i'm wearing a Ralph Lauren polo and a mini skirt. So I think it can be fun

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For weeks I have been thinking about what to do with 6 metres of silk that my mother got me. I browsed style.com and NAP over and over again. And then I realized that it just doesn't work. When I had a closer look I found that everything was the same done again and again. And then I was confused. I actually had to think about what I like instead of what some random editor likes or what some trend agency claims we'll be wearing next season. It's surprisingly hard to figure out what works for me. I need to keep away from magazines and high street stores and everything trendified for a long time. I don't want others to dictate what I should think of a certain garnment.

Honestly, I think the trendification (is that a word? ) of fashion is the problem. It's not hard for a designer to come up with something new, but everything needs to fit in to some kind of trend to get noticed at all.
I think that is a good point, I haven't thought of it that way before.

Hmm... I'm envious of your six metres of silk, my favourite fabric! Is it fine silk or raw silk? Which colour? I know, I am terribly off-topic

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Hmm... I'm envious of your six metres of silk, my favourite fabric! Is it fine silk or raw silk? Which colour? I know, I am terribly off-topic
It's thai silk, so it's pretty raw. It's not very fluid, more stiff...but not too stiff. Hard to explain The colour is navy/vibrant blue, depends on the lighting which makes it wearable for day as well. I hope. Oh, and I really need a good tailor who will do exactly as I say.

It's very much like this (from Donna Karan FW07), only less fluid and more vibrant.

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Every Painter recapitulates the history of art in his or her own way ...

And to quote some from our own lines(she's gonna kill me!) ...

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T.S. Eliot springs to mind, "art never improves, but that the material of art is never quite the same." I think sometimes the art establishment forgets that to do the same thing again with every part of you, is not the same thing at all.

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Both these thoughts were expressed in the context of art, but I think they work within fashion(or any creative field) to ...

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I know this may sound like such a cliche but i genuinely feel that life is what you make it. I mean designers such as Lagerfeld, Slimane, Bailey etc are just selling an idea. The fun bit is taking parts you like from various collections and blending them to give you your own look. Copying a whole show, and full outfits isnt cool or fashionable. Anyone with the financial backing can do that. Originality imo isnt necessarily being too outrageous, it is just making clothes work for you. With each new season and collections there is a constant need to reinvent yourself. That is interesting.

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