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Who are 'we' though?
We aren't representative of society as a whole and therefore we cannot alone make fashion 'cool'.
For that to happen the general populus would have to regard high fashion as cool again, and I get the feeling that may take awhile.

of course we aren't. but that's the thing - the general populus has never considered fashion. it now does, more than ever - but just like in all other instances, the populus is neither knowledgable nor discerning, and chances are it won't be. i have long ceased lamenting about the general state of the populus. instead, i concentrate on those akin to myself

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Wow. This thread is so damn good I actually took notes like I was in class. First of, I think Evexa hit the nail on the head by saying, "Who are 'we' though? We aren't representative of society as a whole and therefore we cannot alone make fashion 'cool'." That is exactly how I see it.

And what is fashion to begin with? It's all relative, as all our tastes are different. To say good design is generally accepted by all, then I would have to say those Carhartts are far superior than anyone ever realized, considering more people wear them than say some Paper Denims, or Citizens, or whatever is the flavor of the month.

I have also thought that music and fashion are very much dependant on each other and both are very stale right now, as they tend to go through times of change every 12 years or so. Just as these fake distressed jeans and sh!tty screened tees are being recycled, so is music, with every band out there sounding like a bad Cheap Trick cover and every hip-hop artist is still sampling old Grandmaster Flash beats.

I also have to say I hate this whole retro rags looking trend that seems to be on it's way out, just because I don't like affluent people wearing clothes that look like the clothes I had growing up because we were poor.

Anyway, upon all of this, you can't blame the sheeple (people + sheep = sheeple) for all buying in to whatever is going on now. Sheeple are afraid of something different, and will wait for someone credible to make the first move toward change. Then the hipsters jump on the bandwagon, and when the style hits Target or Wal-Mart, it finally becomes within reach of the rest of the flock. And right now with gas and housing prices through the roof, I think everyone is comfortable with generic design.

So yes, fashion is still cool to most, but maybe you're too cool for fashion right now.

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fourboltmain, great post.

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I have also thought that music and fashion are very much dependant on each other and both are very stale right now, as they tend to go through times of change every 12 years or so.
i think right now fashion conglomerates/ corporations create a stagnant look, and so as homogenization grows, an underground movement will run parallel...whew, life balances out! i think there is a current embrace of a 'folk' style, and this is also related to the current music scene, however it's subtle. it functions as basically is the oppiesete end of the spectrum of generic. through more 'democratic' systems such as ebay and music downloading it's all about the consumer influencing what is put out and what is recognized.

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for instance and somewhat off topic: dangermouse made one of the most highly acclaimed albums of the year, but it was a bootleg -- illegal. however, w/ the power of filesharing, free access it eventually ended up at entertainment weekly, and they labeled it the best album of 2004. it was made by some guy, not some suits in a corporation.

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"In the future, history books will say there was once a time when people got paid millions of dollars for selling CDs. Kids will be like, 'Get out of here with that crazy talk!'"
his quote

http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/arc...rave.html?pg=6

this could be the future of fashion??

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unfortunately, you can't pass around clothing in the same way you can music. you can't keep creating duplicates until everyone has a copy -- that's a movement. so i guess fashion will be more about people viewing it without a different mindframe, which is starting to happen w/ luxury goods and logos.

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Excellent writing, I want to add but I can't. I like the relation between copies and copies becoming a movement.

I also wanted to state how much I love Carhartts. People trip when they ask you where you got them and I reply "Sears." They look hella cool when the knee patches wear through and I sometimes draw within them with permanent markers. The damn things are so durable that when new they stand up on their own. I like Dickies too, just because I don't feel bad when I destroy them.

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^ i always wanted carhartts overalls. i'd cut off the pants and make it a dress. but yeah, those things are like cockroaches. no need for starch

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imagine this as a metaphor for music sampling...not only is everything connected, but you can alter bits individually...

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also...i really think this idea is cool, and it relates....

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Fashion as an entity.
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of course we aren't. but that's the thing - the general populus has never considered fashion. it now does, more than ever - but just like in all other instances, the populus is neither knowledgable nor discerning, and chances are it won't be. i have long ceased lamenting about the general state of the populus. instead, i concentrate on those akin to myself
Oh I am by no means claiming that the general populus are discerning or aesthetically adept - they are the sheep, but there is a new shephard in town . I think that the main point of the topic is that fashion as an entity formed from constantly changing ideas and aesthetic perceptions, has not been so focused on recently - it isn't as glamourous and formidable as it once was.
I agree with fourboltmain in his connecting music to clothing trends, but more than ever (and without making this a political arguement) I think fashion is becoming more closely linked with politics.
Conservatism is very prevalent right now, there isn't a big trend to be 'different' and homogenization and corporate influences are rampant. This trend does not direct the population toward new unusual designs and new concepts in cothing, rather it moves them toward the safe and trusted rehashed styles that have been circulated by the likes of Marc Jacobs and Michael Kors in the upper price bracket, and Abercrombie/af/ae etc.. in the lower price brackets. These are of course examples only but I could go on all day about this topic.
As travolta said, edgy fashion is taking a backseat and running underground for now - until the economy/climate provides adequate conditions for its germination
At least we know what fashion is

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i like this thread, it's very interesting.. I agree for the most part.

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I think fashion is more than cool... to me its like a passion of escapism from the real world... i design some of my own clothes... some trends i dont like buying into... i try to seperate myself from what most girls are wearing to be more unique... clothing can also be a way of expressing how you feel or how you want others to feel about you...

The thing that bugs me is the copying of ideas on runways... versace was the first to come up with coral last season... then suddenly everyone else copied... I see it so much season from season on the catwalk... its like a virus that spreads... someone does something then everyone copies...

I also dont like it how unoriginal some designers can be, to me fashion is about drawing from inspiration... dreaming of materials and creating something... fashion is tied in with elegance which comes from the latin elegator which means to select. I think keeping this in mind fashion is an art that each invidual has the power to explore...

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I also have to say I hate this whole retro rags looking trend that seems to be on it's way out, just because I don't like affluent people wearing clothes that look like the clothes I had growing up because we were poor.
OMFG, I couldn't agree more. I simply find it ARROGANT.

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I think keeping this in mind fashion is an art that each invidual has the power to explore...

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I think keeping this in mind fashion is an art that each individual has the power to explore...
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An aphorism that is NOT a cliche .

Something to absorb and ponder for those who , and I'M using a cliche here , are prepared to ' think outside the box ' ............

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