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27-09-2011
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^ That's the skirt length I usually wear ... with a proper kick pleat there's no problem. Just a matter of whether the design is a good one or not ... and yes, comfort is definitely subjective

In one sense the 50s was a golden age ... in the US we had a massive expansion of the middle class thanks to the GI Bill, and with Germany and Japan having just been walloped, the US auto industry had a golden opportunity to take off with very little competition. Lots of good union jobs. Hey, I'm starting to feel nostalgic myself ... and anyone who could kick off a re-expansion (vs the current contraction) of the middle class would have me as his/her biggest fan.

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^You know, it's also embodying the idea of the "American Dream" too. I think people look towards American pop culture and film/tv because so many people want to experience the dream. The dresses are more then a garment it's embodying the idea of stability, conformity, and whatnot. Ideas which were all present in the 50's. And so few people have a sense of stability in their life. Right now the world is rather unstable I think... so maybe harking back to clothes of yesteryear is one way to reassure people? Although, it's interesting to note that the two designers that people keep going back to in this thread aren't even American- Prada's Italian and Jil Sander started out as a German brand. So I guess it appears knowledge of life in America during the 50's is the same world over. Anyways... just something to think about.

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^You know, it's also embodying the idea of the "American Dream" too. I think people look towards American pop culture and film/tv because so many people want to experience the dream. The dresses are more then a garment it's embodying the idea of stability, conformity, and whatnot. Ideas which were all present in the 50's. And so few people have a sense of stability in their life. Right now the world is rather unstable I think... so maybe harking back to clothes of yesteryear is one way to reassure people? Although, it's interesting to note that the two designers that people keep going back to in this thread aren't even American- Prada's Italian and Jil Sander started out as a German brand. So I guess it appears knowledge of life in America during the 50's is the same world over. Anyways... just something to think about.
It's just like what happened during the Renaissance (which happened in Italy before it did anywhere else). I feel like that the creative spirit of that time is very much present in what Miuccia did for S/S 2012. Back then it was the expansion of trade and the introduction of new worlds (Americas and Pacific) that lead to the creative reinvention. Now we have the expansion of technology and the introduction of new science that allows us to become just as nostalgic about technology and machines as the Europeans did in the 15th - 17th Century about art and literature. And of course this re-inventive movement is constantly happening throughout history, because nostalgia and the power of the human memory is one of our greatest tools.

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Stills from the new "Pan Am" film - stewardesses... sigh:











All of these came from Italian Vogue's site, interestingly.

Worth remembering that while the post-WWII economic boom/mass production led to a growing middle class, with many women staying home to shop, raise children, and grow the suburban economy, due to increasing price competition, it led eventually to offshore production, loss of jobs, continuing Cold War threat (can't threaten capitalism in any way shape or form!! or blacklisted ack!!), the Korean and Vietnam Wars, the 1970s oil crisis (all those new cars from the 50s you know...).

LOL, all history is interconnected.

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It's just like what happened during the Renaissance (which happened in Italy before it did anywhere else). I feel like that the creative spirit of that time is very much present in what Miuccia did for S/S 2012. Back then it was the expansion of trade and the introduction of new worlds (Americas and Pacific) that lead to the creative reinvention. Now we have the expansion of technology and the introduction of new science that allows us to become just as nostalgic about technology and machines as the Europeans did in the 15th - 17th Century about art and literature. And of course this re-inventive movement is constantly happening throughout history, because nostalgia and the power of the human memory is one of our greatest tools.
Thats really insightful. I really loved the last sentence too. Because maybe when it all comes down to it nostalgia/memory is what makes people react the way they do towards a designer collection or even to other events in history. It's all a matter of perspective. And the way one person remembers something may be vastly different then how others see it. Which is why I love threads like this- while we might not all agree we are all able to state our opinion. And to me the 50's was a bit oppressive whereas to other people they don't see it that way. It's quite interesting really.

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^ I'm not sure anyone's disagreeing that the 50s were 'a bit oppressive.' I think that's true ...

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thankfully---
there are a lot of other options available to choose from if this isn't your cup of tea...

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^ Yes, we'll always have Paris! :p

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the belgians and the japanese rule paris~
that's where the gold is...

:p

i think rick owens just graduated from milan to paris this season...
i think he should show in paris next season...
or NEW YORK......
that d*mn guy is american!...
he should come back here and give us something interesting for a change...!!!...
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Thats really insightful. I really loved the last sentence too. Because maybe when it all comes down to it nostalgia/memory is what makes people react the way they do towards a designer collection or even to other events in history. It's all a matter of perspective. And the way one person remembers something may be vastly different then how others see it. Which is why I love threads like this- while we might not all agree we are all able to state our opinion. And to me the 50's was a bit oppressive whereas to other people they don't see it that way. It's quite interesting really.
^Definitely.

Nostalgia and post-WW2 has been gaining more and more momentum the past 6 months. I live in LA, and there's this weird strive back to "Western Americana" thing I see.

I do agree that the 50s (to live in that era), I would've hated it but the "idea" of it (so quaint) has an appeal. To skip ahead a little over 50 years later and look at the U.S. now...not everyone's happy, China is gaining financial momentum, U.S. dealing with the middle east and the idea of "terrorism" in our society, there's hardly any production in the U.S., dirty politics, the extreme wealthy taking advantage of the economy, the middle class of America is slowly getting squeezed out of existence, tuition for college/higher education is constantly rising, culturally the midwest exists in a completely different culture/time frame from the west coast or east coast. Everything in the U.S feels chaotic.

....It's really interesting to see another person of a different background/ethnicity/race do their take on American history. Prada Spring/Summer 2012, the commentary (from style.com) mentioned...

"it's an interesting idea that the 50s might have been the last time that people could be unambiguously optimistic about the future"
- Tim Blanks

"...Post war modernity is the beauty of things, the beauty of cars, and in the way, the beauty of America..."
- Carlo Antonelli (Rolling Stone Italy)

....the memory of America, the golden era of America, the 'new-ness' of 50s America is a historical element that in 2011/2012, designers play with. You see it in fashion, you see it in (American) media...to see that synchronization is really interesting and I'm still trying to figure out what it means. There's "hyper-femininity" but there's a lot of other things that it encapsulates (on a world wide, as well as local scale)....

...what's interesting is that you hardly see this 50s Americana dialogue in NYC fashion week....it's sad....(with the exception of Rodarte, they're doing something a bit different and their sensibilities and ideas are SO incredibly West Coast America).

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It's like we want to go back to a pre-lapsarian state that (let's face it) never really existed. The real and the ideal are always impossibly distant. And denial is the river in between. :p

Woody Allen has Mariel Hemingway say it best at the end of Manhattan: "Everyone gets corrupted." Yep, and might as well add "everything" to that too.

Can't go back... but I suppose we can (re)envision that time as some sort of "ideal" and/or "sweet" golden age about "the beauty of things." After all, that was a time when things sold really, really well. Seems rather bankable then.

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^ I'm not sure anyone's disagreeing that the 50s were 'a bit oppressive.' I think that's true ...
I do.. sort of. They were perhaps a bit, but I think it is a mere detail in mass of things that defined the era as opposed to the main 'theme'..

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I suspect the 1950s were full of an oppressive post-war yearning for simplicity and normality that, in terms of a lifestyle, could be indulged and enacted by a certain social class in a certain country, but underneath all of the marketing, the stay-at-home moms in America, and the wish for social inertia, everything was changing for everyone, and no-one could prevent it.

Trying to pause time is an understandable social reaction - both then and now - to recent events too complicated to process, and a future that cannot be predicted.

But to be nostalgic about stereotypical 1950s fashion - it's an illusion about an illusion, compound layers of commercialism, clothes being marketed now that refer to a lifestyle that was marketed then.

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^Definitely.

Nostalgia and post-WW2 has been gaining more and more momentum the past 6 months. I live in LA, and there's this weird strive back to "Western Americana" thing I see.

I do agree that the 50s (to live in that era), I would've hated it but the "idea" of it (so quaint) has an appeal. To skip ahead a little over 50 years later and look at the U.S. now...not everyone's happy, China is gaining financial momentum, U.S. dealing with the middle east and the idea of "terrorism" in our society, there's hardly any production in the U.S., dirty politics, the extreme wealthy taking advantage of the economy, the middle class of America is slowly getting squeezed out of existence, tuition for college/higher education is constantly rising, culturally the midwest exists in a completely different culture/time frame from the west coast or east coast. Everything in the U.S feels chaotic.

....It's really interesting to see another person of a different background/ethnicity/race do their take on American history. Prada Spring/Summer 2012, the commentary (from style.com) mentioned...

"it's an interesting idea that the 50s might have been the last time that people could be unambiguously optimistic about the future"
- Tim Blanks

"...Post war modernity is the beauty of things, the beauty of cars, and in the way, the beauty of America..."
- Carlo Antonelli (Rolling Stone Italy)

....the memory of America, the golden era of America, the 'new-ness' of 50s America is a historical element that in 2011/2012, designers play with. You see it in fashion, you see it in (American) media...to see that synchronization is really interesting and I'm still trying to figure out what it means. There's "hyper-femininity" but there's a lot of other things that it encapsulates (on a world wide, as well as local scale)....

...what's interesting is that you hardly see this 50s Americana dialogue in NYC fashion week....it's sad....(with the exception of Rodarte, they're doing something a bit different and their sensibilities and ideas are SO incredibly West Coast America).
It may be an interesting idea, but it's also BS. It was the Cold War era ... instead of red and orange alerts, and zombie warnings, the government then was into nuclear war drills (climb under your desks, kids--these are actually amazing nuclear shields).

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I do.. sort of. They were perhaps a bit, but I think it is a mere detail in mass of things that defined the era as opposed to the main 'theme'..
Certainly a 'mere detail' if you were lucky enough to be a Caucasian male vs a minority or a woman. Considerably more of a 'main theme' if you were not ...

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