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09-04-2011
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if only the blogosphere had matured to the point where such appropriates reaped such ready benefits for those small-to-midsize design houses. let's not kid ourselves about the blogosphere, however. the big named designers capture the attention -- rightly or wrongly -- of the fashion crowd and the blogosphere writ large. therefore, it's only those houses about which such blog posts get written about. it's easy to notice when zara rips prada or vuitton because all of us in the blogosphere can recognize a current season vuitton or prada look on sight pretty quickly. but let us try to conjure in our minds the latest limi feu collection or the latest bibhu mohapatra offering. and what stings for many of these designers comes when the untrained eye looks at some of these newer designers work, they will recoil with criticisms like "this looks like zara" or "i see this stuff at forever 21" never knowing that the original inspiration point came from the actual creative minds of the designers they criticize.

what's further disheartening -- although one could wax philisophical about all of the smoke and mirrors in the modern world -- remains that many mainstream retail outlets will literally copy. not get "inspired by" not "reference" but literally send their buyers out to boutiques to purchase one size run of hot items to have them literally unstitched so that patterns can get made so that they can reproduce them in bulk in third world sweatshops.

i think it undermines the entire enterprise of fashion. and it's not really the bigger houses that mind -- i mean, russian billionaires will continue to shop vuitton no matter what -- but it's the little guys who barely have a foothold who see their designs copied when they're trying to make a splash in the marketplace. and then, they have to find themselves "partnering" with some of the very firms in "collaborations" so that they can get a paycheck.

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20-04-2011
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The similarities between these two editorials made me ill. Shame on the entire "Sultry" editorial team.

Sultry

Photography by Yoo Sun
Art Direction by Audie Umali
Styling by Rebecca Palmer
Hair by Lydia O’Carroll @ Kate Ryan
Makeup by Junko Kioka
Set Design by Courtnay Cain Saunders
Model(s) Nicola Haffmans @ Silent & Pauline van der Cruysse @ Marilyn Model Mgmt




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which is ripping off

“The Dunes”
Photo: Steven Meisel




scannedbydiciassette from Vogue Italia December 2008

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20-04-2011
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I generally let editorials slide a bit since there are only so many things a model or photographer can do. The model is limited to the emotions they can evoke and have interpreted correctly, even if they were a contortionist they can only do so many poses. The photographer can only do so much with all sorts of other variables. There are also only so many locations/themes for the photo shoot. In many eds the difference only comes in the clothes used.

Probably the only time I get hung up about copying is if the ed was based something that happened in society and was a bit controversial, telling of the times etc. eg if a second magazine had done let say VI's take on the oil spill last year then they would've copped a lot from me.

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21-04-2011
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Thanks for your feedback purplethistle, enjoyed hearing your thoughts.

This referencing issue has really started irritating me lately. I feel like we are being bombarded with work which all claim the same influences. Few examples, how many "And God Created Woman", "The Virgin Suicides", and "Taxi Driver" references have we seen in the last few years. I remember being so excited when this Meisel editorial came out and it was a homage to "Suna No Onna", finally something unique that nobody's ever done before!

And now, here we are, with this editorial where there is just way too much similitude to Meisel's take on the film. I mean they practically positioned the girls in the same positions (hands above head, elbows on display), the girls wear those same sulky expressions, etc. I don't have a problem with them taking on the same film, but they certainly could have presented their own spin on it.

With so many different forms of art and elements in the everyday to be inspired by, I find it a little lame that some of these supposed creative minds in the fashion industry can't come up with something fresh and unique.

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With so many different forms of art and elements in the everyday to be inspired by, I find it a little lame that some of these supposed creative minds in the fashion industry can't come up with something fresh and unique.
I find this a really poignant statement. I wouldn't consider myself a naturally creative person, but when I see or hear something that's supposed to be creative and its not, since they're only referencing, I find myself very quickly racking my brains on what twist I would brought to the table. I guess that could be a definition of being inspired even if its out of criticism.

For me criticism is actually a great starting point since it makes me think about what messages I receiving and why I don't like them and what would I preferably like. Sometimes I manage to think of something new that is only done years latter by actually companies. My lame examples: I came up with the idea of a cell phone that would have a full qwerty keyboard slide out from under the screen and also came up with my ideal front load washer where the door would be facing me at about 45 degrees from the floor (this is how my creativity works). Both ideas came before 2000 so they hadn't been done yet but since then have been made and I wasn't even ten. It only required a small evaluation on my behalf and thinking what would make things better.

But it seems like the 'creative people aren't able to do that or simply too lazy. Too lazy to turn a reference point into a source of inspiration that allows them to go above and beyond whatever the other artist came up with. Sure most things require a bit of mulling but there are so many things to be referenced, if that's their style, they should mull over multiple things at the same time.

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One memeber told me that I should post this here so....
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I found even more models in similar test shots.I am not telling that this photographer is bad cause some of his work is great, but I find it really boring and not creative using different models in same type of test shots.

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24-04-2011
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It is certainly true that in the fashion world everybody copied to everybody, the problem is when you lose your ethics and start to copy the ideas, not just the clothes but the concept in general. I was shocked to see these images some time ago (Right Balmain A/W 2010, Left Zara A/W 2010)







The hair, the poses, the complete looks...

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http://modeman.feber.se/ and Zara pictures are from zara.com


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That is shocking Felipe, and disturbing...

I mean we all know Zara is famous for knocking off brands, changing an element or two slightly on a piece to keep it from being a counterfeit, but now they're even knocking off ad campaigns?! Wow.

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On one hand "plagiarism" is irritating, intolerable and even nerve racking. Meanwhile, on the other hand it's flattering and motivating. So I guess it has its good points. Fast fashion's ridiculous knack for imitating (case in point: Zara from the previous post) is almost shameful, but it has motivated many designers to stretch beyond and create something "inimitable".

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In the Zara photos the copying transcends just clothing even the models poses were similar, the muted/ blank background (except they used some red orange color) and the model's pompadour.

The line often blurs between referencing and plagiarism in fashion for some reason and not totally sure why the lines are blurred. Musicians use to have the same problem. An artist or band would sample or 'steal' a beat or riff. This was popular during the 80's and early 90's although it still persist more than often an artist would credit the originator or sampled work.

I think it's much easier to take an idea from another designer without giving much credit or getting in trouble for it because there's a consumer demand for low or cheaper prices and knockoffs unlike other types of art.

Artistically it's nearly impossible for ideas to overlap and sometimes referencing happens without the designer or creator realizing it.

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In the Zara photos the copying transcends just clothing even the models poses were similar, the muted/ blank background (except they used some red orange color) and the model's pompadour.
They don't even try a little. I's blatant plagiarism. But that's the business of Zara, copying high end designers and selling you cheaper versions. I find it interesting how we criticize plagiarism so bad yet praise Zara. It's convenient, it's cheaper and the clothes are pretty.


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Artistically it's nearly impossible for ideas to overlap and sometimes referencing happens without the designer or creator realizing it.
Well, that's why designers should do their research, how come they can't remember where their ideas came from? how come they just take whatever their assistants gave them and just called it a day without double checking? Google is a powerful tool. If we can find evidence of plagiarism, so could they, if they wanted to.

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19-05-2011
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Well, that's why designers should do their research, how come they can't remember where their ideas came from? how come they just take whatever their assistants gave them and just called it a day without double checking? Google is a powerful tool. If we can find evidence of plagiarism, so could they, if they wanted to.
I agree. I wouldn't really say that plagiarism is accepted, it's more tolerated in fashion than other forms of art since there's less backlash. Sometimes I think designers don't care because they won't get into trouble for it.

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Thanks for your feedback purplethistle, enjoyed hearing your thoughts.

This referencing issue has really started irritating me lately. I feel like we are being bombarded with work which all claim the same influences. Few examples, how many "And God Created Woman", "The Virgin Suicides", and "Taxi Driver" references have we seen in the last few years. I remember being so excited when this Meisel editorial came out and it was a homage to "Suna No Onna", finally something unique that nobody's ever done before. ....
I posted this in April 2011, and whadda ya know, here we go with another "And God Created Woman" editorial, because God knows it's summertime in the Northern Hemisphere and what else could fashion insiders possibly use for inspiration other than THIS ONE FILM:

http://forums.thefashionspot.com/sho...3&postcount=73

Sigh.

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^ Every time I see a "God Created Woman" theme editorial I feel like they may as well be doing a studio shot since its so repetitive. At least it would have been better on their budget.

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^ Every time I see a "God Created Woman" theme editorial I feel like they may as well be doing a studio shot since its so repetitive. At least it would have been better on their budget.
So true.

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