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14-08-2011
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Originally Posted by iluvjeisa View Post
Maybe that's the problem. Certainly, there are some editors who have a great eye, such as Grace Coddington, she and some others seem to not be photographers mostly because they don't get of on the type of technology geek stuff that all photographers must love. But it seems to me photographers generally have a better eye for what works as an image.

Yeah, I confess, I don't work with this so perhaps I should stfu but the fact remains that I have collected fashion magazines for a while, and for whatever reason they are just nowhere near as good now as they were before the mid 90s. And it seems that perhaps the technology obsession combined with the editor as being in charge could explain why the standard has gone down. From the perspective of fashion photography as art, that is.

Besides, the model is extremely important. As important as editors or photographers. Sure, you can get decent shots with the proper body, but you can't get great shots unless the model is great. Unfortunately, the qualities that makes a model great - youth, a certain state of mind - are all fleeting qualities that you can't rely on for any length of time (a matter of 2-10 years) and that takes down the importance of the model. After all, why should you pay respect to someone who is only going to be there for a short time?
the whole industry has changed and creativity is simply not as prized as advertising dollars at a magazine these days...
everyone has to play it safe now just to keep from going out of business...
this is true across the board with all creative industries...
but especially with publishing...
it started around the time of 9/11 and has only been getting progressively worse...cause of the economy, the internet...etc...
so that is what you are seeing...
it has nothing to do with editors or photographers in terms of talent, etc...
because a great many of the very same editors and photographers are still the ones who have a lock on all the big editorials...
...
**it's really hard to break through for newbies cause- unlike models- editors and photographers keep working until they keel over and die!...
......

it's just that no one has the same level of creative freedom anymore...
sad, no???...


what i do think technology has done is change the overall 'shininess' of fashion imagery...
computer retouching has taken a lot of the 'grittiness' out of fashion photographs...
which i think can also somehow remove some of the 'soul'...
it has given rise to certain photographers whose entire signature is this completely retouched look-
mert and marcus come to mind (and they are great imo)...
*polish certainly has its place...but so does grittiness...
and we've lost a lot of that...

but i think that's off topic, maybe?...


just to point out...
a model often becomes great because she works with really experienced editors and photographers who coach her...
*meisel is known for this especially...
and i can give you a list of major girls who i have watched climb up from cluelessness that i watched get coached by senior editors...
of course they have to be smart and listen and do what is asked of them...
but modeling isn't some magic thing...
it is learned...
all the good ones are very good at taking direction...
and yes, they do make it easier on a shoot...
and bad ones get sent home from shoots on a regular basis...

anyway...i think everyone should get paid the same...
and everyone should get paid more!
but that's not gonna happen...

so...
this is all pretty much a waste of time...
i think i'm gonna retire myself from this thread now...

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