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27-02-2011
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I think if you look at the prices of designers you can end up with actually paying less for clothing with better fabrics by going for MTM or full bespoke. Additionally this will offer the perfect fit, a not-to-underestimate advantage )


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women are gatherers...
* i feel like i want something new, let's see what's out there, oh, that's nice-oh, that's cute-oh, what's that?...
i got 10 new things...but i'm still feel like i need something...hmmm...better go look again next week...
hehe indeed & way more influenced by media, friends, hearsay..

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28-02-2011
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I think if you look at the prices of designers you can end up with actually paying less for clothing with better fabrics by going for MTM or full bespoke. Additionally this will offer the perfect fit, a not-to-underestimate advantage )
While I agree with this, I am not sure MTM is necessarily the way to go. The MTM suits I have bought often have an inferior cut compared to designer ready to wear.

but maybe the problem is that I am cheap and wont spend enough on MTM suits

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28-02-2011
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I think if you look at the prices of designers you can end up with actually paying less for clothing with better fabrics by going for MTM or full bespoke. Additionally this will offer the perfect fit, a not-to-underestimate advantage )




hehe indeed & way more influenced by media, friends, hearsay..
that's indeed some good advice from guys i'll totally try this approach this year, maybe not with suits (i don't wear suits), but some nice leather pants, which are ridiculously expensive with designers' tags on

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06-03-2011
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This is a joke right? Menswear, especially in the lower priced categories is so much more expensive than womenswear in the same category. Most people shop in low to medium price classes and in those categories, the theory positioned here is bound to a vicious circle. There is less variety available in menswear than in womenswear. Finding something you find appealing is thus harder. Prices are generally higher, forcing you to buy something worth your money. Hence, you take a closer inspection at the overall quality. That's probably why most men can be labeled as investment shoppers: they find quality, thus buy less. So in the minds of men this has transformed into 'looking for quality', which is now also how the fashion industry thinks. And that's how menswear offerings are lower than that of womenswear. There you have your circle. It all bottles down to the fact that there is less variety available. Maybe men don't 'need' as much variety as women, but nobody will ever be sure: what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Anyway, if women start shopping the same way as men do, the fashion industry would collapse big time.

I started some time ago...

In fact, I probably always have, to a great extent.

Personally, I feel that men get far more for their money, though.

Menswear items, that are as expensive as the equivalent womenswear item, are generally of far better quality, in my experience.

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06-03-2011
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i might be wrong but.... men stick to certain fashion rules, and in general they are afraid of experimenting ...not all men, but most of them. they do pay more attention to quality and they don't feel quilt for spending lots of money if they think that is what they need and want and it suits them. women are just more fun. we love sales, we collect clothes, shoes, also women have different sizes of clothes in their closets (like pms, pregnancy, post pregnancy,etc...) , women are easily distracted by shinny objects, we buy stuff cos they are pretty, cos its a nice shade of some color, women love shopping.

example: underwear
its simple we all wear it and need it, but men buy certain brand of one type of underwear. women have underwear for every occasion: we have lace ,cotton, sheer, brazilian thongs, thongs, briefs, boxers, and don't get me started on bras. we wear all colors and shapes of lingerie only. and if there is sth u like like and they don't have it in your size... well a woman will buy it. men won't.

i don't want to shop like a man. do u see that if men what to be more creative or fun they 'steal' from us?!?!? hats and colors and well skirts, and thongs...

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08-03-2011
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i don't want to shop like a man. do u see that if men what to be more creative or fun they 'steal' from us?!?!? hats and colors and well skirts, and thongs...
wait you sure that you do not have that the other way around?

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09-03-2011
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wait you sure that you do not have that the other way around?
nope, i am not sure, i want to think that way.... considering how much clothes i have. i am sure that men stole colors from women.

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09-03-2011
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I certainly think there is a gender discrepancy, but as a firm believer in "evolutionary psychology is BS invented by chauvinists," I would chalk most, if not all, of it to availability and marketing. While the men's department may almost rival any women's department in size, women also monopolize "accessories" and men's shoes tend to be two or three rows at best. Commercials and ads for department stores play on Lifetime and run in Glamour and Cosmo; the message is sent loud and clear that women love to shop, and since fashion changes season to season, they should shop for what looks good for that season.

I really question how accurate it would be to state, however, that women love to shop and men don't. I have two male friends, neither of whom are homosexual, that are fashion victims of the highest order- if Kanye West is wearing a foxtail, one of them is going to buy a foxtail. If David Beckham was spotted wearing a pink Armani tie, you bet one of them will pull up a tab and find that tie on eBay before you can say "trend skank." Meanwhile, I will buy five of the same thing if I love it (white v neck tees, I'm looking at you), and I really only buy things that already go with a few other things I own- while my mother and sister love nothing more than to pick up whatever looks cute when they shop, and don't just shop for something specific (and hate shopping with me, who only shops when she needs/want to learn more about something).

To sum up: There are trend addicts in both genders, and those that are more personal style driven as well. Any gender differences could probably be better chalked up to marketing and gender norms, not any inherent differences.

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oh god, regardless of what's natural or influenced by marketing,, i wish they did! i almost avoid inviting my friends to go shopping with me unless it's strictly for social purposes, seeing as how, for most women i know, hitting the mall for just 1 t-shirt usually is turned into a day long adventure ending most often NOT in success, but 3 or 4 purchases. which i find very surprising, considering these girls browse through what seems like ALL the racks downtown....
ughhhh, such a headache, and that's coming from a girl :p

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wait you sure that you do not have that the other way around?
We did steal pants. I'll give you that one.

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i also think that men expect and receive better service from department stores, boutiques etc.

time and time again i have asked if they can find me a particular item at both types of stores and i've got a handwave and a generic "what we have is out there" remark.

i dont think men would receive this type of service. maybe its ingrained sexism.
I'm not sure men ask questions like that ... but what you have there is poor-quality SAs, and that may not change according to the gender of the person in front of them.

My retail experience was in a store that was mostly menswear with a few things for women. I completely agree that you can find better quality for less money in menswear. A lot of that is because men wear a uniform. The patterns barely need to change from season to season.

I saw some men who were really insecure about shopping, like giving any thought at all to what they were doing was a threat to their masculinity. I remember one guy in particular who complained that his stuff didn't match ... but hello, when you run in and snatch the first thing and dash back out, of course it won't match. When I asked him to bring a couple of his suits in so that I could match them properly, he looked at me like I'd suggested he run naked down the street.

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14-03-2011
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i agree with the spirit of this article although some details remain laughable. i'd like any many to go out and find a cashmere cardigan as cheaply as a woman can find one. or a tailored blazer.

i've always lived under the assumption that mens clothing costs more because men, generally, buy less clothes. even than most fashionable man still buys the basics and puts his own spin on them. many women -- and i have never understood this, but i witness it perennially when i shop with my mother, sister, and legion of female freinds -- will go out and buy a disproportionate amount of 'trend' clothes. you give a man $10k and free reign in soho and i don't care if he's the most conservative or the most edgy, he'll come back with a certain number of pants, a certain number of jeans, a certain number of shirts, a certain number of shoes, a certain number of jackets. however, give a woman that same $10k and depending on the woman, you'll have them all come away with completely different things all, for the most part, in a year, who'll be dissatisfied with what they own.

so, in that way, i do believe, there's wisdom in the words of the author with respect to buying quality basics. buying a perfect little black dress from dolce and gabbana or the perfect pair of crocodile pumps from ysl for a girl makes just as much sense buying the perfect black suit from dolce and gabbana or the perfect pair of crocodile lace-ups from ysl for a guy. it's up to the individual how, where, when, and why to wear those things.

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i think one of the most charming things about a woman is her shopping habits and all that vanity and drama that comes with it. Most husbands pretend to hate it but its one of the things they miss the most when their women leave them.

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^ Maybe I do shop like a man, because I don't know that much vanity & drama come with it for me I'd like to think I shop like a woman with her head screwed on straight.

The point is though, what is the quality of that cheap cashmere cardigan or 'tailored' jacket? Good tailoring and good cashmere come at a price ... typically more for women than men. And perhaps some of that is justifiable ... women are certainly more difficult to fit than men.

I bought something recently in a designer department that on the second wearing developed a hole. I was going to have my cleaners fix it, but this thread made me think, No man would put up with that kind of crap So I e-mailed my SA to see if there's another one.

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I agree the most important thing about the quality of a cashmere cardigan is the fabrics (which are expensibe) or you end up with a fuzzy hell.


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women are certainly more difficult to fit than men.
veto, if you want a perfect fit RTW suit it's nearly impossible without alterations by a tailor.

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