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01-09-2005
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agreed on Margiela brian, he has already done enough innovation to last him two creative lifetimes

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But in terms of who has made a major impact on mainstream fashion.... I don't know!!! As much as I love Kawakubo, Miyake, Watanabe, Margiela, etc. I don't know if they have really made a major impact on the world at large. To people 'in the know' DEFINITELY. But everyone else....?

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^ i think we'll see hussein chalayan rip offs.
In a weird way I think so too, I can see some aspects of his designs having a major impact down the road. Just a hunch!

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I think they facilitated "movements" in style, absolutely. They opened a new door.

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I think that nobody really innovates this day, changing the way we see clothes, wear clothes or moves the aesthetic to a new level or direction.

Fashion is more about "fusion" with *social*:-), like Tricot said.

I'd add all D2, D&G "movement", with Galliano on the front, with "trashy porn" historic costiumes for men:-D It's OK for men to look really bad this day.

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But in terms of who has made a major impact on mainstream fashion.... I don't know!!! As much as I love Kawakubo, Miyake, Watanabe, Margiela, etc. I don't know if they have really made a major impact on the world at large. To people 'in the know' DEFINITELY. But everyone else....?
don't get me started....


those guys had a trickledown effect on what we see in say urban outfitters today. you should check out the japanese avant garde thread to see what they were putting out around the later 70's..early 80's. what made them stand apart is they designed for utility. those comfy, light linen capri pants that are now trendy came from them. it was basically introducing function as high fashion, and now we've embraced it, kinda like pants for women or zippers or blue jeans. designers who design in this way look at it like engineers or industrial designers, and they did to create actual innovative results. it's not window dressing.

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"It's OK for men to look really bad this day."

Whew, vindication at last! (wipes sweat off brow)

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It's OK for men to look really bad this day.

EXACTLY! Even women. Not that you have to look good, fashion isn't for everyone. It's what's inside that counts! (cough, cough)

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don't get me started....


those guys had a trickledown effect on what we see in say urban outfitters today. you should check out the japanese avant garde thread to see what they were putting out around the later 70's..early 80's. what made them stand apart is they designed for utility. those comfy, light linen capri pants that are now trendy came from them. it was basically introducing function as high fashion, and now we've embraced it, kinda like pants for women or zippers or blue jeans. designers who design in this way look at it like engineers or industrial designers, and they did to create actual innovative results. it's not window dressing.
I think little details from these designers will be embraced by the larger world, definitely. Like how I think some things Chalayan is doing will be very influential. But have you SEEN Comme des Garcon's early Paris shows? Ain't nobody in the mainstream dressing like that, or ever will!

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i think there is a different set of skills being nurtured these days in the fashion world...

just like you have sampling in music...
but some people (like vanilla ice let's say) will just steal the melody...and others will take it and layer on different nuances and intricate sounds and details to come up with something that stand on its own in a totally unique and beautiful way...

i also compare it to collage...
it's a matter of taking some things that already exist...
but there will be hundreds, maybe thousands of ways of combining those elements...
some will be remarkably innovative and yield as a result something that has never been seen before...

that's how i see it anyway...

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I think little details from these designers will be embraced by the larger world, definitely. Like how I think some things Chalayan is doing will be very influential. But have you SEEN Comme des Garcon's early Paris shows? Ain't nobody in the mainstream dressing like that, or ever will!
Although I see what you mean, Travolta, the whole distressed/raggedy thing probably started there.

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don't get me started....


those guys had a trickledown effect on what we see in say urban outfitters today. you should check out the japanese avant garde thread to see what they were putting out around the later 70's..early 80's. what made them stand apart is they designed for utility. those comfy, light linen capri pants that are now trendy came from them. it was basically introducing function as high fashion, and now we've embraced it, kinda like pants for women or zippers or blue jeans. designers who design in this way look at it like engineers or industrial designers, and they did to create actual innovative results. it's not window dressing.
OK I see how they have been influential now, I was thinking more in terms of the overall actual looks and styling they present in their runway shows (which a lot of times aren't really that accessable) rather than the overall 'feel' or aesthetic and all of the little details, and even the functionality of some of the pieces. So I have learned something!


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^ yea. now we see something compelling and 'authentic' about distressed garments and deconstruction, but it's really just mucking up things a bit like the actual wearer would do down the line! fashion isn't seen as a hardcore design problem like designing a chair.
if it was, it would yield innovative results. as lena i think was saying? hard times yield innovation, because it's a necessity.


edit: i should have said cars or computers. chairs are really fashionable these days as well!

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I think mensfashion always aimed too much on making men very strong and masculine... with Hedi Slimane, it´s still a subversive attitude, but it lies ib the details...
I think Hedi Slimane made the same what Raf Simons, but he achieve a larger impact. He made teenagers centre of men fashion. Not the sophisticated at Jil Sander; angry, allienated and protesting at Raf Simons.

Just young. And thin.

I think he made men's obsession with being young not controversial anymore in fashion. How? I don't know:-)


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i think there is a different set of skills being nurtured these days in the fashion world...

just like you have sampling in music...
but some people (like vanilla ice let's say) will just steal the melody...and others will take it and layer on different nuances and intricate sounds and details to come up with something that stand on its own in a totally unique and beautiful way...
I agree, but I think it is about creativeness.

I think innovation must be sth that completely changes everything. Chanel modernism, Dior New Look, Space Age (is it the right name?:-) in the sixties, deconstruction... But in a way keeping with someone's own aesthetics could "change" things, too:-)


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