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31-12-2011
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Good ideas, ta-ta.

The New Posts can only report what is really going on ... I beleive. But next week, when I expect to hear back about the possiblity of a chat room or not, I will ask them if we could exlude certain forums or theads. If we could do that, I would allow us to customize it a bit and hopefully draw more interest in other topics ... might help draw fashion people back.

The last suggestion about tracking the content and location of posts is not doable ... because our system cannot do that.


I do like the idea of special recogntion for those members who contibute in a meaningful way ... and we can certainly consider more of that. I like the badge idea ... wonder if there is something in our system that can add that to a users avi, username or profile. We have the means to at least give a custom title under the user name ... but that can also be changed by any paid member (if they wanted to cheat) ... so that won't work. I'll look into this too, after all our mgmt. and tech people get back to work next week.

We have already taken a couple of measures to encourage active particpation in other topics. One is the introduction of the Fashion In Depth forum which is very stringently moderated and power posters and fans "need not apply". Then, ChrissyM is doing a regular feature on the Home Page ... Forum Buzz. It was designed to give special recognition to interesting current topics and especially to those members who offer insightful comments rather than fan chat. Chrissy selects some threads (rarely a model's thread) that is currently having some lively and real conversation, then she posts quotes and names the members who made them, with a link to both the comment and to their profiles. We hoped that front page mention would be an incentive for all members to try to participate in more meaningful conversation.

Of course, I suspect that the model fans and the celeb fans that seem to be drawn here don't spend much time in any other places ... including the front page. So we are fighting an uphill battle here ....

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^The Buzz was an excellent addition imo. I´m always checking for something interesting and it´s nice to find one´s quote in there LOL

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^^There already is the possibility of excluding forums from the "New Posts"


I agree, I actually love the Forum Buzz, it definitely makes me check out threads and discussions I wouldn't normally have a look at. And I kind of got the impression that it does make people join in on discussions they wouldn't know about otherwise. Definitely hope ChrissyM will keep it up, she does a great job.
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I just wanted to know if there is a thread to discuss the aesthetics that designers and fashion houses look for in their models. I constantly read comments referring to models like: oh this boy is so Prada!, or hey this girl really fits Balenciaga's aesthetics... so, I'm wondering if there's a thread in which members can analyze what kind of physical features/style a girl or boy usually has when he or she is casted to work for a specific fashion house, and how these aesthetics change through the years. TIA for your answers!

 
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I just wanted to know if there is a thread to discuss the aesthetics that designers and fashion houses look for in their models. I constantly read comments referring to models like: oh this boy is so Prada!, or hey this girl really fits Balenciaga's aesthetics... so, I'm wondering if there's a thread in which members can analyze what kind of physical features/style a girl or boy usually has when he or she is casted to work for a specific fashion house, and how these aesthetics change through the years. TIA for your answers!
I don't think there is, but I'd love to see you start one in ETCs with the description in the first post as you described above. It would make for an interesting discussion, because as you pointed out people throw those statements around quite frequently (myself included!). As you also pointed out it may evolve through the years, so it'd be nice to have a thread to act as a reference tool to this fact.

"Fashion Houses and Their Model Aesthetic"

Would be a fitting title.

Hope you'll see to it

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Done!

 
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Jenna16: Just to make it clear, starting this discussion was my idea and I'm not a moderator. None of the mods have stated that any of this talk shouldn't be allowed. If they wanted to they could just remove all those posts and not even discuss this with us but as you can see they are here to see what we have to say about this and to find a solution that makes the forums more enjoyable for all of us.
I don't really think that the mods are too strict. Every forums I've ever been on that wasn't heavily moderated was just a complete mess (power posting, members bashing, topics taking forever to load because of picture spams/quoting, etc.) and I'm glad tFS isn't like that.
I understand that. I was also addressing the attitude of some users on the forum in general.

It is true that they could just remove any posts and not discuss anything with us. I mod/admin for several other sites/forums, and believe me, I know how easy it is to just delete or remove anything. Off course, if they did that it would damage the integrity of the board. Which as HeatherAnne mentioned is important to TFS

Since I posted my last comment in this thread, I have noticed that TFS has been getting a little bit better, IMO. But I wish things could be like the way they were 5 years ago.

Just my 2 cents though.

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I understand that. I was also addressing the attitude of some users on the forum in general.

It is true that they could just remove any posts and not discuss anything with us. I mod/admin for several other sites/forums, and believe me, I know how easy it is to just delete or remove anything. Off course, if they did that it would damage the integrity of the board. Which as HeatherAnne mentioned is important to TFS

Since I posted my last comment in this thread, I have noticed that TFS has been getting a little bit better, IMO. But I wish things could be like the way they were 5 years ago.

Just my 2 cents though.

The problem is that model talk has literally taken over tFS and all its forums. Its out of control. A perfect example of this would be in the D&C forums when someone posts "I love the dress in Bianca" ... Who is Bianca? What dress is this person referring to? Just because of the fact that this person knows their models doesnt mean EVERYONE does and this disrupts the flow of the postings and create unnecesary posts (Who are you talking about? Which dress? of they just go on and on about model mentioned and how many shows walked, etc). This happens over and over every season, and it is something that takes a toll on the forums.

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^Haha, true. I'm a huge model stan myself but I often don't know who people are talking about when they refer to a model in the collections threads.


But I agree with Jenna16, I feel like it's been getting slightly better recently. Even with Fashion week going on I don't find the empty posting that excessive anymore. Or it's being taken care of by the mods very well.


@Bette T: Did you ever hear back about the possibility of creating a chat room?

 
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Not really ... they took it in, said they'd consider it but they never said yes or no. So ... I'm guessing it's a no ... at least for now. Sometimes they have plans for the future .. and they have a list of want's from us ... and they decide based on resources and budgets available. Sometimes we see our requests granted, sometimes not.

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Personally, I think that in recent years TFS has become too rigid with its rules and a lot of members are getting a bit frustrated. And the fact that there is now a thread discussing what people should be allowed to post and not post when discussing a campaign is a perfect example.

I can understand how dozens of "OMG Natasha" posts can be annoying but is it really that big of a deal? However, I don't think that the other side should also not feel limited to what they want to say either in response to the thread, "for example, all this Natasha fanaticism is making me annoyed with her presence in the Prada campaign," or whatever.

Monitoring what people are allowed to post has gone too far and although I do see the reasoning in it, such rules are ultimately a negative force because they limit personal expression and inspiration.

I post on another board that has at least as much traffic as TFS and people can post almost anything they want (except for spam, spoilers, porn and stuff) and people do often flame each other, but overall the atmosphere is so much better. I understand that there needs to be some rules (like how it was in 2006 when I first joined TFS) but it has just gone to far.

Another incident that reminds me of this (although it is not about models): Recently a thread in the "Rumor has it" forum was locked because none of the mods wanted to monitor it any longer. It is a thread I never post in or care to read, however, the incident still really bothered me. That just doesn't seem right to me. Any thread, anywhere, at any time could be closed using that reasoning. And really what is the big deal about it needed to be monitored. If none of the mods want to monitor it, can't they just let it be. The conversation (just like the conversation in the Prada campaign thread) isn't hurting anyone. And if it is contained to a certain thread, I don't see how it is disruptive to the rest of the board.
I so agree with you. I think language is also a barrier. For people who's not from English speaking country, It's quite hard to write my opinion in English. So I just wrote simple short sentences. I wanted to write long, constructive paragraph but I can't cause my english is limited.

I heard in many other forum that tFS has too strict rule, I hate to admit it, but I think it's quite right. Maybe tFS is the most complete archive forum, but please, don't make members fear to write comments.

also, this is fashion, why take it so seriously? It should be fun and free.

 
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Actually ... the Fashion Spot was started by its founders to be a place for serious discussions and as a resource and archive for people who are serious about fashion ... those who work in the industry, aspire to work in the industry, who are going to fashion school and those who are inspired by it. We have been charged with keeping that vision and to enforce the rules ... and that's what we do.

When members go to thier invitation link to invite new members, they are told to invite only people who meet this criteria. And if you are invited to join by the support staff who opens enrollment from time to time to invite a few people to join (from a waiting list), the people invited are told that tFS is not like other forums, that the rules are strictly enforced, and they are directed to the rules. They are told that being invted is contingent upon their compliance with those rules, as a condition of their membership.

This is why we are not an open forum .. you have to be invited. We are trying to control the content here and we only want members who agree with our mission, basic premise and policies.


So ... for those of you who want a fun place with less rules where you can chat all you want about models ... you need to find another forum. There are tons of them that are free, fun and open to all comers. The Fashion Spot is probably not the forum to provide what you are looking for.

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I'm definitely an outsider in this discussion, but in my opinion, so long as there is model discussion here, there will be fan talk unless the mod staff enacts a massive crackdown on fan talk with significant punishments; like no posting privileges in Supporting Cast for a certain amount of time; to force people to not do it to begin with. Such an idea is obviously ludicrous though and it would likely drive away many members as well as diminish the effectiveness of the model threads because it's the fans who maintain the model threads and if they aren't there, no one will keep the model threads up to date. Thus, I think that the only realistic option is just stiff moderation and deletion of argumentative posts and the "OMG Natasha!!!!!!!" posts; basically just continuing the current strategy I suppose.


I also would like to mention some things in relation to this statement:

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Actually ... the Fashion Spot was started by its founders to be a place for serious discussions and as a resource and archive for people who are serious about fashion ... those who work in the industry, aspire to work in the industry, who are going to fashion school and those who are inspired by it. We have been charged with keeping that vision and to enforce the rules ... and that's what we do.
Okay. That is all good and so forth, but to say that this place is ONLY for serious business is simply not realistic. This place is also for fashion and model fans too, whether management likes it or not. The two groups together are what makes this site work the way it does. If there was nothing but fan discussion, this place would be just another in the massive amount of fan forums out on the Net, and with nothing but serious business type stuff, this place would be a very small site with a very small user base, the archive facet of the site would be basically non-existent, and no one would even know the site exists. The two groups together are what make TFS the powerhouse site that it is and allow it to fulfill it's purpose. The fan aspect maintains the archive portion of the site and keeps the discussion flowing and lively, while the professional/serious aspect of it keeps everything organized and useful and gives the site credibility. The two parts are interconnected and inseparable. The staff should understand this and try to make things work for both sides, because without one of either of the two parts, this place is essentially nothing.

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The two groups together are what make TFS the powerhouse site that it is and allow it to fulfill it's purpose. The fan aspect maintains the archive portion of the site and keeps the discussion flowing and lively, while the professional/serious aspect of it keeps everything organized and useful and gives the site credibility. The two parts are interconnected and inseparable. The staff should understand this and try to make things work for both sides, because without one of either of the two parts, this place is essentially nothing.
I very much agree with the second part of your post. Well said. However I would like to add that I think the key here probably is that there's no point in trying to turn people who are here for fashion only into model experts since, quite frankly, you can be a great contributor to the forums and know a lot about fashion, design, etc without knowing or caring for all the Natashas and Anjas in this world. Whereas I think it's completely legitimate to try and get the model stans to 1) respect that the Designers & Collections threads are here to discuss collections only; 2) realize there is a difference between discussing fashion/campaigns/magazines and being enthusiastic about your favorite models; and 3) familiarize themselves with how the industry works, take an interest in fashion itself, etc because that is the main focus of tFS and provides a basis for discussions about a model's career and work in her thread, too.

I agree with BetteT that there are enough other forums or social media networks out there where you can gush about your favorite models if that is all you actually want to do. A lot of the scans and pictures from here get reposted on open forums with few or no rules where you can post your interjections/emoticons-only inputs if that's what you want. I know many tFS members also post on other forums like bellazon, rtvgames, etc because they're less strict and chit-chat is allowed there. But IMO those forums in no way constitute such a great resource for infos and pictures like tFS and they're rather uninteresting for people who aren't members/insiders themselves.
I think we've somewhat turned into a "Facebook 'Like'-Button" society (the (real) world, not tFS) where people find it necessary to only say whether they like or dislike something without thinking about or explaining why something is especially great, bad, disturbing, etc. It often seems like people don't put any thoughts into it and just follow others and connect with others by by agreeing or disagreeing with them and it's so superficial and boring, IMO.

And I can see where heyworld is coming from concerning the language barrier. But if your English was good enough to sign up on tFS I think you should also be fine with expressing what you want in posts. Writing and reading a substantial post often takes up a lot of time for me as well and online dictionaries (especially Urban Dictionary,haha) have become my best friends but I think after lurking around for a while you somewhat get used to the language and the fashion and model jargon that is used on tFS and it gets easier to get across what you want to say soon.

 
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Something I would like to add is that TFS would be nothing without it's posters. We are the reason for all the content that has been contributed. We are the reason people visit this site and the reason people want to join this site. I would like to think that the creators of this site would be happy that so many people use it or visit it.

To limit what people can talk about alienates its posters, a very large chunk of them enjoy being able to talk about models and even gush over their favorites or whatever. You could ban every single member you think contributes to "frivolous model talk" but TFS would loose a significant part of its following and essentially part of itself. Yes, lots of people go here for serious fashion information but a lot of people (members and visitors) also visit TFS for info provided by fans on their favorite models.

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