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16-05-2008
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welcome wiw.

Soft i'm not sure i understand your distinction between "sweater" and "sweatshirt". it must be different in the U.S. here in australia, we have sweatshirts and we have jumpers...the terms are fairly interchangeable now, though i think originally jumpers referred to a heavier material, usually a winter garment made from wool, let's say, while the sweatshirt was sportier...cotton, etc...although now i dont think we make that distinction when we use the terms. "sweater" doesnt really mean anything here though. so i'm a bit confused which pics that i posted don't qualify as 'sweatshirts'?.

it seems like you're saying that if they're thin, they are 'sweaters' not sweatshirts, is that right?. i've just never heard that distinction...then you used the word "pullover" and now i'm really confused

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...sorry to be so specific dear...
but all the details make all the difference imo...
it's that sort of attention to detail that sets people apart...

here is a basic outline...
jumper and sweater is the same thing as far as i know...
sweatshirts...
these are traditionally made for athletic activities...
and are made of FLEECE...
that is the big thing..it is the raglan sleeve (the way the shoulder seam is diagonal)
and the crew neck (round neck) and the FLEECE (thick cotton that is regular knit on the outside and fuzzy on the inside) and the banded neck waist and cuffs...
and then that weird little V stitch at the neck...
NO hood...
a hooded sweatshirt has now gotten it's own classification as a 'hoodie'...

a pullover...well...
that is what it sounds like...and is basically something that defies being identified as either a sweater/jumper or a sweatshirt...etc...
like the aa tops which LOOK like sweatshirts but are a different fabric so cannot truly be called sweatshirts...

anyway...
anything that is cashmere, wool, silk...V nk...not blouson...not banded at the waist...etc...
those are NOT sweatshirts...those are sweaters/jumpers...
very classic...but not sporty...

you could fashion a sweatshirt out of silk or something and i have seen it done...especially in the 80's when sweatshirts were first styled as fashion items..
silk sweatshirts that had banded knit waists, cuffs and collars were pretty big at one point...

because you got that sport look but the silk was thin and draped nicely..
plus you could get all sorts of really strong saturated colour....
i remember going to a sweet 16 wearing a bright turquoise silk sweatshirt with a swishy polka dot mini skirt, tights and red patent flats (very much the christopher kane silhouette, but not so stiff)...

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I love a grey sweatshirt... always have lol. Not long ago I got a grey & a black sweater that has the exact same details as a sweatshirt in the mens department at Target for $5.00. Theyre great & go with everything.


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This one from H&M is pretty great, silk mix


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I think I'll order two, they're on sale.

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I love this trend... am planning on buying an AA grey tri-blend sweatshirt very soon.

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Isabel Marant ..
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i love both the h&m and the IM...
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i think the wider neckline is so flattering...
i really like these updated versions best...
that is one of the miseries of the basic sweatshirt....
you almost always have to take a scissor to the neckline or you look (and feel) like you are choking......

great stuff ...
thanks for sharing guys!
very cool...


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Soft {and sorry to be anal about this...} the IM 'sweatshirt' looks nothing like your definition of a 'sweatshirt'...?? and very much like a sweater....no fleece, not banded at the waist {well as far as we can see}, doesnt have a round neck, etc...

doesnt bother me...i think they're all lovely and at the end of the day that's what makes you want to wear something, right?. just wondering what qualifies as what in terms of posting in this thread....i wouldnt want to go on posting 'sweaters'...

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i've explained is as well as i can..
in detail...
so...
sorry if it's still not clear...seems really clear to me...

i don't know what more i could do to explain it...
sorry...

but of all the ones you posted ..
only three come close to being sweatshirts...
the aa one, the YSL one and the last one...
does that help?

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yep..i will go look at them more closely..thanks.

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I think we all love that look from Isabel Marant, I've seen it in several threads here

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Our very own eleria/fashiontoast having fun times with the AA sweater:


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just adding to softgrey's definition....
i think a traditional sweatshirt is supposed to be loose and baggy
whereas the "sweater" Camilla Nickerson is wearing is quite fitted and body skimming. It's the band around the bottom that gives that balloon-y fit. I also think raglan sleeves are key to the look....

I have a fleece one from A.F. Vandevorst with big baubles round the neck that I've been wearing with full skirts for a couple of years.
I'm never fully confident that it's flattering though, and i'm sure it's the fault of the fleece.

So, I definitely prefer the idea of a sweatshirt that's been updated in thinner and drapier fabric, but I think it needs to retain at least a few of the traditional characteristics to have a sporty-casual look. I have two of the AA ones in black and grey, and they are great! Very comfy, t-shirt weight, perfect for layering. (My unconscious trend-following is starting to embarrass me! )

***softie, I was thinking the AA top might be another alternative for under your Y's jumper?

luckyme, the drkshdw collection is surprisingly good this season! I keep feeling like Rick is somehow partially responsible for this sporty trend that's happening....
I really love this piece so much.

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^ That's cool, Laika...
Thanks for posting..
It's drkshdw, no?

It'd be cool if someone could find some Norma Kamali pics to post...

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That Isabel Marant is amazing, one of my favourite outfits ever

I love the way fashiontoast paired it with the skirt

here is one from Marc by Marc Jacobs FW0708

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