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I've heard that the color of the stripes on the Fred Perry shirt symbolises sexual preferences etc...tried to google it but I didnt find anything...Maybe it's out of topic...!
lol, i hadn't heard that but i know for sure that shoelace and sometimes brace colors mean something for some skins. white = cop killer or racist / red = socialist / etc...but there are a load of ppl who don't care as well.


this movie is available on google videos for streaming--just incase folks can't find it locally and don't do torrents.

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^I heard the shoelace thing but never the Perry shirt colors. Interesting. Lesypersound, what's the name of the movie??

^^LOL at the chavs!! I get what you mean though, hilarious to see them on TFS, because clown pendants and huge billowing trackies aren't exactly my idea of 'fashion'.

InnocentFairy, thanks for such a thorough and concise explanation! Definitely enlightened me Thanks.

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N.B: That should be the rise of mass UNemployment...not employment, got carried away there with typing fast! Lol!

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lollicandy--sorry I wasn't specific, I meant that This is England is streaming at Google Videos. :] and i lol'd at Chavs as well.

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I know quite a few skinheads in my local rock pub in York who like the look & the music, but are really sound guys, not into far right politics. I don't know any (or seen that many) in Lincoln, but obviously some good ones as Mum told me she saw a woman collapse in the street and 2 skinheads came to her assistance! The skinheads & punks I know are part of a wider social group, but apparently in the late 70's, it used to be skins v punks all the way! I do notice some overlaps in how they dress

Yeah, a lot of my friends are skinheads too, they are good people . It was like that here too punks vs skins but now they get a long (most of them anyways :p)

As far as the tred goes...I saw a spred on skinhead fashion at metropop magazine and I hope it doesnt last long it would be weird to me :S

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If skinhead style becomes popular among the mainstream....ALOT of us will be pissed,
people dont just start dressing like it because they like the style, its not a fashion statement,and in some places you'll get your *** kicked if you shave yourself in

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If skinhead style becomes popular among the mainstream....ALOT of us will be pissed,
people dont just start dressing like it because they like the style, its not a fashion statement,and in some places you'll get your *** kicked if you shave yourself in
I agree, it is not a fashion statement. It is more of a 'political movement', or even a 'political subculture' if you like.

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I still hadn't see the movie and feeling like ridiculous talking about it...
but I've seen an itw of the film director + some teasers and This is England is autobiogrpahic... this is about his childhood... I, too, was really confused about liking the skinhead look (i won't say aesthétic... and I think we don't have to feel ashamed to like or talk about this kind of things...) but I learnt that actually there were two types of skinheads...
the neo-nazi skinheads.... and the others (middle class english workers and best friends)...... who came first... I had really no idea about this
and this film is mostly about the second ones I mean the others (not the skinheads we do hate)...
I will go and see the movie pretty soon... so I may tell more...and I saw some teasers from the movie... and there's a black skins... then...
if you wanna have more infos and photos about skinheads... check out Gavin Watson (he did a book of photos, too), he's famous for this interest he had/still has into the skins movement...

ok i'm always reading most of the posts after i'm writing...
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I love this film, the director is amazing.

I remember skinheads in the 80s' and I guess the 'trend' can be seen today, even though 'skinhead' was part of the working class culture. But with the working class/under class (like most cultures) - 'cultures' change. The way I see it is... Mods have become skinheads and skinheads have become 'chavs'. Not all skinheads are 'racist', skinheads was a working class culture (that were into reggae and ska) that rejected the 'mod' culture as Italian suits, scooters, etc were expensive, etc. Therefore with the rise of under mass employment under Thatcher they could not identify with such consumerism e.g. 'expensive suits'.

Some became 'racist' (not all!) because they blamed immigrants for the rise of mass employment, the Falklands and the closing of coal mines - this created anger amongst the w/class. Today, we have 'chav' - gold chains, check shirts, gel down hair, caps...still quite similar. This is because working class has developed into an 'under class', the 'won't work, can't work' generation.

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I agree, it is not a fashion statement. It is more of a 'political movement', or even a 'political subculture' if you like.
some skins arent even involved in politics in anyway, and its definatly not something you try on for a day or two
in one way im dissapointed of the whole mainstream-ing of skinhead style but on the other hand I'm excited about the cheap knockoffs of freds and ben shermans haha!more for me...

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If skinhead style becomes popular among the mainstream....ALOT of us will be pissed,
people dont just start dressing like it because they like the style, its not a fashion statement,and in some places you'll get your *** kicked if you shave yourself in
Tell me about it...

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off-topic, but Pete looks rather hot in that pic

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some skins arent even involved in politics in anyway, and its definatly not something you try on for a day or two
in one way im dissapointed of the whole mainstream-ing of skinhead style but on the other hand I'm excited about the cheap knockoffs of freds and ben shermans haha!more for me...
I have just done a photo shoot based on 'This is England' for my MA Fashion Journalism course...well it is more to do with the 'rebel' in skinhead AND punk culture, but 'idea' is there within the pictures of 'social realism'.

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oh my oh my..

yup england has style.. whether its good or bad is debatable.
london IS a trendsetter for any streetstyle and that is the main reason why i studied there (10 years ago)! for the inspiration.
now there are some things that come with this style that isnt that cool...
both my colleagues are well connected (clean) fashion industry people and last london fashion week i made a note about these showroom models who had the dirtiest feet and toes i have EVER seen
my female colleague defended both the models i was talking about saying that its nothing, its just the way they think and live. its part of their i dont try too hard look!!!! you know, the Pete D's and the Amy W's...
im tellin ya all, if this is england then im speechless!!!!

(all taken with a hint of salt )

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oh my oh my..

yup england has style.. whether its good or bad is debatable.
london IS a trendsetter for any streetstyle and that is the main reason why i studied there (10 years ago)! for the inspiration.
now there are some things that come with this style that isnt that cool...
both my colleagues are well connected (clean) fashion industry people and last london fashion week i made a note about these showroom models who had the dirtiest feet and toes i have EVER seen
my female colleague defended both the models i was talking about saying that its nothing, its just the way they think and live. its part of their i dont try too hard look!!!! you know, the Pete D's and the Amy W's...
im tellin ya all, if this is england then im speechless!!!!

(all taken with a hint of salt )
You can't look at Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse and argue that they represent social realism and what is being shown in the film 'This Is England', because first of all they are upper-middle class and secondly it is an 'image' for them and therefore an 'act'.

'This Is England' is social realism, it is a film about the REAL working class - which in this view at the time were skinheads. The real working class are not what I would label as 'chavs' (because to me they are the underclass as the majority do not work). But the real working class are those that are living on council estates and working bloody hard to survive, having 'hard' looking faces come with their tough, hard and often short lives (due to their occupation). They are too tired to worry about image and too tough to take ****, they are use to knock backs and I respect them because they do the jobs that we would hate to do.

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never denied that but Pete and Amy et al are living as if they werent upper class. i think that is why they are so controversial and popped into my mind with regards to the attitude towards life

ETA; as for the skinhead look i find it very unappealling. i was a child who grew up in germany in the 80 and 90s and a non german so even though well protected one can just imagine what i associate with this "trend"
i did however sport a green bomber cos it did somehow become a must have back then. dont ask how... ??

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