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voting is compulsory in Greece (only on national elections, not for the EU ballots)
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Lena - i think it ought to be complusory here too. We have a really poor turnout. The EU elections last month were particularly bad. When you think of the struggle people had to obtain the right to vote - its terrible. We only had universal suffrage here about 80 years ago. Then you look at other countries where there still isn't.... we are so spoilt.

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we are spoileded in most developed westernized countries... too many people take what we have for granted and don't even realize or don't appreciate how hard some people had to fight for us to have what we have now...

i think anything that gets a dialog going is positive...

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we are spoileded in most developed westernized countries... too many people take what we have for granted and don't even realize or don't appreciate how hard some people had to fight for us to have what we have now...

i think anything that gets a dialog going is positive...
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I put such apathy down to the stranglehold big business has over governments .

Here in the UK , Rupert Murdoch through the influence of his newspapers , especially ' The Sun ' , forces Blair and his colleagues to ' toe the line ' !!!

Likewise the pernicious influence of ' The Daily Mail ' with its xenophobia and petit-bourgeois prejudices .

Ordinary people feel that their vote counts for nothing against such vested interests .

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well-how does one change this...?...i feel like voting is the ONLY way to change things...

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you are right softgrey - literally every vote counts. Kit - the Sun & the Daily mail are the pits!! The Uk is driven by the mob cxulture that these papers promote. No-one thinks for themselves anymore...

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well-how does one change this...?...i feel like voting is the ONLY way to change things...
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EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION. I can't stress this enough. Every social change that was ever made came by grassroots. It's not like the wealthy and powerful decide to be nice one day and make life better for society. The more educated the masses are, the less brainwashed they are, the faster human progress will occur.

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well-said faust...

i haven't read very much in the past years...mostly just magazines and newspapers etc... and i feel like my brain has atrophied...i can't believe how much i struggle with spelling and grammar when i'm writing on this forum...i never even used to have to think about it...but it's because i used to read constantly...so it was second nature to me...

i think need to go back to some more academic pursuits...

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SOFTGREY

AGREED ABSOLUTELY , but the daily ' pap ' in the tabloids and on rubbish TV sends the message that its no use doing anything ( eg , use one's vote ) because ' THEY ' , the liberal bleeding hearts , will not take cognizance of the opinions of ordinary people , so why vote , it's a wasted gesture .

If only ' ordinary people ' were to wake up !!!

But why bother thinking , when there's the England football manager's latest affaire to read about , plus the infidelities of David Beckham , Wayne Rooney et al .

SOOOOO much more interesting !!!

Bread and circuses !!!

Sad , but true .

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( I'll get down off my soapbox now ) .

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SOFTGREY

AGREED ABSOLUTELY , but the daily ' pap ' in the tabloids and on rubbish TV sends the message that its no use doing anything ( eg , use one's vote ) because ' THEY ' , the liberal bleeding hearts , will not take cognizance of the opinions of ordinary people , so why vote , it's a wasted gesture .

If only ' ordinary people ' were to wake up !!!

But why bother thinking , when there's the England football manager's latest affaire to read about , plus the infidelities of David Beckham , Wayne Rooney et al .

SOOOOO much more interesting !!!

Bread and circuses !!!

Sad , but true .

KIT

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But... but... David, he is sooooooooooooo cuuuuuuute!!!

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OMG... :dizzy:

laughing so hard it hurts...!!!...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa......

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OMG... :dizzy:

laughing so hard it hurts...!!!...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa......
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EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION. I can't stress this enough. Every social change that was ever made came by grassroots. It's not like the wealthy and powerful decide to be nice one day and make life better for society. The more educated the masses are, the less brainwashed they are, the faster human progress will occur.
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' EDUCATION , EDUCATION , EDUCATION ' , was what Tony Bliar said was his priority when he came into government , and we unreformed socialists took it to mean that State education and schools would be made as good as , if not better than the privileged private sector .

What it has ACTUALLY meant is that Bliar has brought in even MORE selection in schools so that the affluent middle class get to send their kids to the best state schools , by virtue of where they live in the leafy dormitory suburbs , while ' the lumpen proletariat ' are left with the ' sink ' schools in poor inner-city areas , so polarising a divided society even further . Apathy breeds in such an unfair political climate .

The Daily Mail , meanwhile bleats about the ' dreadful ' state of public education , defending at the same time the privileges of its right-wing middle class readership .
Can you blame such hypocrisy on the part of both government and the press for making people think that promises made by politicians count for nothing , once they have had your vote . Why vote at all - it's like a turkey voting for Christmas !!

In order NOT to incur Lena's wrath , I will keep this on topic in these ' Fox News ' right wing times , by saying that in times of right - wing supremacy , tight skirts , very high stiletto heels and power shoulders on women's suits are ' de rigueur ' , so we will look to see if they are served up in the A/W 2004/2005 collections in October , in Paris and Milan . !!!

As for your comment on dear David , Faust , the tone seems vaguely familiar . Know what I mean ?

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SOFTGREY

AGREED ABSOLUTELY , but the daily ' pap ' in the tabloids and on rubbish TV sends the message that its no use doing anything ( eg , use one's vote ) because ' THEY ' , the liberal bleeding hearts , will not take cognizance of the opinions of ordinary people , so why vote , it's a wasted gesture .

If only ' ordinary people ' were to wake up !!!

But why bother thinking , when there's the England football manager's latest affaire to read about , plus the infidelities of David Beckham , Wayne Rooney et al .

SOOOOO much more interesting !!!

Bread and circuses !!!

Sad , but true .

KIT

( I'll get down off my soapbox now ) .
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Kit - but isn't whats happening on Big Brother not much more important than the genocide in Darfur????? There ought to be a sarcasm emoticon.

The goverment is happy for papers like the sun to print garbage because it effectively controls the masses - the proletariat. as does football - and obsession with the beckhams/celebrities generally.

It does all begin with education. How do you educate people to be interested in imporatnt issues (that hurt your head) when you can switch on Big Brother & be numbed into oblivion?

sometimes i think that we in the west haven't seen enough real suffering to appreciate how lucky we are.

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Helena,

I think the only way to make people interested in important issues is to introduce current events and international affairs into the school curriculum at the youngest age possible. As soon as kids learn the names of the continents they should start to have an idea of what is going on in them.

I can't speak for the UK but I know that in the US, it is positively disgusting that we are at war in the Middle East and most people around here cannot tell Iraq from Iran on a map and have no CLUE about the culture of the area. So many people here think Islam is only good for breeding terrorists and have no idea that there are lots of normal peaceful and law abiding Americans who practice Islam too.

What you said is so true, that people would rather watch some trash on the television than use their brain cells to think about the news and the upcoming election. It makes me positively ill that my classmates, all around 18 to 19 years old, are candidates for the two draft bills sitting in the House and hardly any of them, at least in the little rich spoiled beach bubble of Orange County, have any clue why this war is taking place or even WHERE it is taking place.

I think the problem is that they do not teach world history properly here, at least not in California. They teach European history and call it world history. We never learned about the Middle East or Africa or South America in school, because I think our government does not respect those places enough to add them into our textbooks. We never talked about the news in school. If I was in charge of the world there would be weekly debates about current issues because what gets people riled up and ready to make a difference is healthy discussion about issues, not some lame attempt like "everybody bring in an article from the newspaper and write a two sentence summary of it."

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