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31-08-2005
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What annoys me is when celebrities try to make fashion. Take J-Lo for instance... all she did was take an average top, write her name over it in shiny lettering and then added an extra £20 onto the price of what its really worth. Its laughable.

Seeing celebrities on covers of magazines doesn't annoy me so much, because it depends on who it is. When Cate Blanchett is on the cover of Vogue, I don't mind at all... she has a timeless elegence and beauty and a glow about her and could almost be a model herself. But if I see someone like Gwen Stefani, I cringe.

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Here's what Manolo Blahnik had to say on the subject in this months Harper's Bazaar:

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If you have a point of view, you don't need anybody else. Today's pop stars don't have a clue. They really just depend on stylists. But unfortunately, they get exposure, and innocent little girls from suburbia copy them. We have to watch pop stars; they are very dangerous.
I like it that he calls them dangerous :p

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Here's what Manolo Blahnik had to say on the subject in this months Harper's Bazaar:



I like it that he calls them dangerous :p
Isn't that taking fashion a bit too seriously though? There are things pop stars are doing that are really dangerous ... but is demonstrating/promoting bad taste really one of them?

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^ I guess he was just being dramatic or trying to emphasize his point

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Yes! But I think the pendulum is starting to swing away from them due to the massive exposure of "B" & "C" list celebs such as J. Lo, Jessica, Lindsay, Mary Kate & whoever Olsen. They don't have a clue. You can also throw in all the hip hop crew with the exception of Sean Combs (I have my reasons). Fashion is not about another (Yawn) jeans & t-shirt line made in China.

Some top tier celebs really have style and can carry off anything (We all know who they are). But most now are really annoying!

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i hate seeing actresses/singers/etc. on the covers of magazines, but i've come to accept it...celebrities and their stylists have elevated fashion to a place where it wasn't

but to see someone like britney on the cover of elle, who has absolutely nothing going on professionally when there are many other talented actresses (jennifer connelly, tilda swinton, rachel weisz, etc.) taking on interesting and challenging roles...

it's bothersome because many of these other women do have great style, are mothers, careerwomen, etc. and would be positive to read about in magazines...i'm just tired of the same rotating list of women, most of whom it's obvious they don't dress themselves...(well except for britney)

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I think it is predominantly Americans in general who have ruined fashion. The reason I say Americans is because I consider the US where trends seem to spread from. As a culture, they have become so accustomed to "fitting in" and following trends set by celebrities. Whatever happened to originality? I think it is only getting worse. If you look at tweens and teens, here they are wearing pajama bottoms to school. I mean if you are 30+ I highly doubt that there were such ghastly clothes being worn at that age. Now correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that women in Europe tend to follow trends less than in the US. At least it looks as if they tweek what is in to best suit them. In the states, it has really become the state of mind to find whatever is in style at the cheapest price no matter if it looks good.

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Here's what Manolo Blahnik had to say on the subject in this months Harper's Bazaar:



I like it that he calls them dangerous :p
i actually agree on them being dangerous just for the reasons Blahnik gave, they dont even dress themselves and (most not to say all of) their stylists s*ck big time.
their only reason why one could discribe then as dangerous is in influencing the teens taste towards the total kitch
stil.. from what i see from this thread here, there is also an opposition to this trend, which actually i find very healthy.

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I don't think fashion can be ruined but the idea of celebrity fashion lines is irksome if only because it is merely another part of this culture of branding wherein it is not enough to sing, dance and act. One must also be publish a book, market a fashion line, have a perfume, create their own potato chip and so on and so forth. It takes the creativity out of things and can lead towards all sorts of disasters. I dislike the concept that an innovative stylist can dress someone up from head to toe and then the person who had little to no creative input in the outfit can be hailed as a "fashion icon" the world over. That is uniquely aggravating to me. Some of these people have absolutely no style what so ever in my opinon.

It is also annoying to see actresses/singers without style on the cover of fashion magazines just because its time to promote their films/albums/potato chips and so on. Fashion magazines were not originally intended as vehicles for celebrity profiles but as time progressed the line between tabloid and fashion magazine blurred.

In those ways I think they have hurt fashion. However I do think its nice that there are a choice few actresses with legitimate style out there letting people who wouldn't ordinarily know about certain houses/labels learn more. One may not automatically know about Balenciaga or Lanvin but if people see an image of say a Selma Blair or a Sarah Jessica Parker wearing clothes from those labels they may be compelled to find out more. I think its wonderful that more people hear about fashion even if its only through the glossy images in the Star or US Weekly. Its great to think that some kid in Idaho might be idly flipping through a tabloid at the supermarket, see an actress in a stunning creation and become enthralled by fashion. I know it sounds hokey but it could happen. Those magazines reach out to a whole other demographic that might not have a subscription to Vogue or V but may just find themselves drawn into the love of chic clothes.

As for starting horrible trends I think that celebrities can influence people to some extent but bad taste is a vice in and of itself. There will always be someone out their who loves all that is tacky. It is very annoying though when there's something one likes and suddenly it becomes hot due to an influx of celebrity exposure.

At the end of the day though fashion can never be ruined. It can go through ups and downs but its never really destroyed. I mean if fashion can survive day glo spandex, the rise of the velour jumpsuit AND the world's continued fascination with what Jessica Simpson wears then its just plain invincible.

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bravo, Luxx!!!

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what's bad taste really? it's really just the elitism of being 'in the know'... no different than high school if you think about it

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what's bad taste really? it's really just the elitism of being 'in the know'... no different than high school if you think about it
I know this is probably not a popular viewpoint with many who work in the industry, but I have always viewed fashion as deliciously inconsequential, and therefore something to have fun with and not worry about.

Didn't Diana Vreeland say something like, everyone needs a soupçon of bad taste, it's no taste that's the problem?

I once read an article that was worried that, because Target is promoting good design for the masses, that good taste was no longer going to be limited to a few. Of course it was incredibly elitist. At the same time I wanna tell the guy, no worries :p

I like Luxx's point that there is an upside to this, that celebrities are often promoting good fashion.

But I also think there are a good many people here who in reality would be quite upset if suddenly the masses somehow acquired good taste

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I think celebs have always been "style" icons ... as in the past when people didnt have access to fashion shows etc. before tv, they would see pictures of celebs etc. and copy them. So we have always looked upto celebs but even today with fast media imrovements people still look upto them.
Like uggs and juicy tracksuits were never fashion as such but the millions of people who wore them ... i doubt any of them would ahev worn them with out seeing -insert name of celeb here- wearing them the week before. Its just in are culture to admire celebs and want people to admire us so by copying celebs ... ok maybe im not being clear but i know what i mean lol

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Didn't Diana Vreeland say something like, everyone needs a soupçon of bad taste, it's no taste that's the problem?
Oh I love DV!

People have always copied big stars - so that's not an issue - and the most beautiful and stylish stars have always made the covers (Deneuve, Grace Kelly, Raquel Welsh, Natalie Wood...). Select beautiful stars have graced the covers since the 50s. But today there is no selection - as long as it's a 30+ accomplished actress with an IQ over 100 it's all ok. Beauty and innate grace are no longer determining factors for who nabs a cover.Unfortunately.

In my opinion tt's just FINE with celebs on the covers but there are not enough celebs who are gorgeous and stylish enough to actually carry a cover. Winona Ryder, Kate Winslet, Gwynneth, Angelina, Drew Barrymore, Demi Moore, Emmy Rossum, Mischa Barton (has anybody seen how similar to Veruscka she is?!??!), Nicole Kidman, Uma Thurman....I'm probably forgetting a few. But there aren't that many who have beauty and grace. A cover face must have that or else it's a failure. No matter who it is. And great models ALWAYS have these two qualities, whereas movie stars don't necessarily.

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Ooh don't get me started on celebs on covers

Well, I must say I am on the same level as kimair on the celebs on covers. I absolutely detest it, but I have come to except it. Luckily, here in Europe, the vast majority of magazine feature models. But big big international mags, like Vogue US or Elle US, what ever (all American, yes) seem to have the celebs. It's a pity, really. I am convinced that covers belong to models, especially when we are talking the cover of a fashion magazine. A year ago, when Vogue US put 9 beautiful models on September Vogue I was so excited. Anna Wintour saying that it's time for models in fashion again made me think that it was over hurray! But the next month already the models were gone again. Apparantly celebs sell better. That is the general idea of celebs in fashion I think. They just sell better, that's it. They say celeb, 'we' say kaching...

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