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^ It is not interpreted as political because it is Arabic. It is interpreted as such because it IS a political symbol and his been for a long time. This explains it in brief.

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sometimes i dont want to visit this thread because i dont like to repeat myself..
Xmodel- if you get your sources from wikipedia- then i dont blame you for being confused.
Being Arabic myself- I know my culture....IT IS ONLY A TRADITIONAL HEAD DRESS..that men in the middle east wore for centuries...
I do understand however, that when people who say for example go on protests or pro-palestine demonstrations will wear it- as Yassir Arafat did...so they can show which side they are on...but as everyman especially in the gulf coutries, wear it.(they are required to wear it to work).they dont mean anything political by it...neither do the beduins of jordan,syria ,iraq and lebanon....its like saying the viel(hijab) is political and its not..its religious..and the kofiyyah is cultural and traditional... I understand the confusion..as you are not from that region
I remember when I wore a cap that has the saudi arabian flag (which is green, and has arabic written on it in white) to school (in the states) and a bunch of students came up to me asking me why am I wearing the palestinian suicide wrap thing!! HAHAA...and then i realized that some palestinian groups wrap their martyers in it because it has a religious saying on it..so some ppl now connect it to palestine..i had to exaplin to them that its just the flag of my country and has nothing to do with palestine or certain political groups..

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I'm sure that's all true, but the truth is, to the majority of the world and a sect of the Palestinian people, it is not just a headdress. In reference to Yassar Arafat, it is a fact, not just according to Wikipedia, that he wore it very specifically to mimic the shape of Palestine.

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uniq,

thanks for putting it so nicely. i also dont know why people insist its political. if anything it is the most common thing in most middle eastern countries..
eitherway, i thought it was interesting that urbanoutfitters sells them in every single colour way

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uhh xmodel... ppl are not going to stop wearing it because "some ppl wear it for political reasons"...its CULTURAL MY DEAR..its a way men dress in the middle east... THE KOUFIYYA,SHMAGH..WHATEVER U WANT TO CALL IT...is an ITEM OF CLOTHING THAT HAS BEEN WORN FOR CENTURIES. and there is NO SPECIFIC ACTION that someone wearing a koufiyyah did that made it political...everyone wears it...bad ppl and good ppl...

leyla..ya its soo interesting that they are making it in all these colors...but it does have a pretty print

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Please stay on the topic of the keffiyeh as an article of clothing and refrain from political debate. Your cooperation and understanding are appreciated.

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sorry tang..i was getting frustrated..I didnt and dont want to turn into politics... i just had to clarify for the last time

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anybody think that the pattern of Balenciaga scarf it´s keffiyeh?

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i think he's using a kahfiyah 'inspiration' but not the actual traditional pattern

scrol back for the balenciaga look

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Yeah, the pattern looks a little 'off' from the traditional kahfiyah pattern to me

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sorry tang..i was getting frustrated..I didnt and dont want to turn into politics... i just had to clarify for the last time
Actually, my point is more to do with rampant commercialism and the exploitation of cultures for "fashion" purposes. I lived in a town next to two Indian reservations and attended school on one of them. It's sad to see the effects of exploitation. I don't find it acceptable to take the traditions of another culture and mass-market it to people who have no idea about the culture. And in this particular instance it is so extremely ironic given our world's current climate. I hope that's not political

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^ we do live in an exploiting society, it's called the 'melting pot'
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I agree, yes, but that doesn't mean it's right. And I usually don't have a problem with introducing new cultures into the mix if it's done in an intelligent, respectful way. Like, if we see a sari, we know that it's a part of the Indian culture. But I think with this, it's beyond ironic. I mean, this is being marketed to people in the US and UK mainly. I know someone who is in love with UO and doesn't exactly think about what's behind the clothing she buys it's just like "Oooooh, shiny!". I guess that's OK for some people, but I dunno, I think it's disrespectful, and in this case, so extremely weird. I happen to adore learning about new cultures (I want to study anthropology), but I think to most people, they don't care about what they put on their body.

Some might say, "Oh, it's just fashion", but is it? I think fashion is extremely important given first of all that we have to wear clothing at the risk of arrest, but it also it plays an integral part in how people perceive us.

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sometimes i dont want to visit this thread because i dont like to repeat myself..
Xmodel- if you get your sources from wikipedia- then i dont blame you for being confused.
Being Arabic myself- I know my culture....IT IS ONLY A TRADITIONAL HEAD DRESS..that men in the middle east wore for centuries...
I do understand however, that when people who say for example go on protests or pro-palestine demonstrations will wear it- as Yassir Arafat did...so they can show which side they are on...but as everyman especially in the gulf coutries, wear it.(they are required to wear it to work).they dont mean anything political by it...neither do the beduins of jordan,syria ,iraq and lebanon....its like saying the viel(hijab) is political and its not..its religious..and the kofiyyah is cultural and traditional... I understand the confusion..as you are not from that region
I remember when I wore a cap that has the saudi arabian flag (which is green, and has arabic written on it in white) to school (in the states) and a bunch of students came up to me asking me why am I wearing the palestinian suicide wrap thing!! HAHAA...and then i realized that some palestinian groups wrap their martyers in it because it has a religious saying on it..so some ppl now connect it to palestine..i had to exaplin to them that its just the flag of my country and has nothing to do with palestine or certain political groups..
You're Saudi too? I thought you were Lebanese?

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Originally Posted by missy-t1

Do the Olsen twins wear a keffiyah?
there aren't any pics of the twins wearing the keffiyah (in candids & events) .

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