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11-02-2007
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& that scarf is called 'Ghutra' or 'Shumagh' in other middle eastern countries.
Here in the UAE its called 'Ghutra', in Saudi Arabia its called 'Shumagh'.

Men usually wear them in this part of the world with what we call a 'Kandora'. The ones worn in my country (UAE) are usually red&white, beige&brown, or just plain white, but never black&white.

It is worn here in two different ways:

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I got myself a Palestinian keffiyah and Ilove it - its so nice and warm!

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I think it's sad when real, powerful political symbols are diluted to be sold to people who can never understand, or maybe don't want to understand it's true meaning. People live and die for their beliefs, and 15 year old hipsters can wander into UO and exploit it for "fashion". Yeah, I don't know why, but it disturbs me.

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I think it's sad when real, powerful political symbols are diluted to be sold to people who can never understand, or maybe don't want to understand it's true meaning. People live and die for their beliefs, and 15 year old hipsters can wander into UO and exploit it for "fashion". Yeah, I don't know why, but it disturbs me.
I think it's sad when traditional articles of clothing are turned into political symbols and exploited.

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^ Yes, I would agree as well, but there's a difference between using a traditional part of your culture as a symbol of that very culture and taking a traditional piece of clothing turned political symbol and mass-marketing it to the people who are fighting against those very beliefs. I wonder what Palestinian people using their traditional clothing for fashion purposes? Aren't they fighting against that sort of Western commercializing. It's so alternate universe.

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I wanted to buy another kahfiyah scarf yesterday, so I went into a Muslim store and they told me they did not have it and I must get out because I am white. I was so sad!

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^ oh come on!

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^ Yes, I would agree as well, but there's a difference between using a traditional part of your culture as a symbol of that very culture and taking a traditional piece of clothing turned political symbol and mass-marketing it to the people who are fighting against those very beliefs. I wonder what Palestinian people using their traditional clothing for fashion purposes? Aren't they fighting against that sort of Western commercializing. It's so alternate universe.
Word to your entire post. I love the look of the kahfiyah scarf, but this is why I would never wear one. It's not that I don't agree with what it stands for, but I feel that, by wearing it as part of some fashion trend, I'm devaluing it in the worst possible way.

Same with non-Christians wearing crosses, or the Che Guevara shirts that were popular a couple of years ago. I can't believe that not one of the rich, white teenagers wearing that shirt grasped the irony. Every time I saw one, I was left wondering if those kids even knew who he was. Because you just know that Che would be down with hipsters in Manhattan paying obscene amounts of money for a shirt bearing his face that was produced in a sweatshop in Guatemala.

It really is like living in bizarro world.

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^ Exactly! I wouldn't disagree with wearing one because it doesn't necessarily go against my political beliefs, I just feel that it cheapens the entire cause. I so wonder what Palestinians must think of this! They're dying for their country while people are buying these for $20 at UO.

Haha, SiennaInLondon said in another thread that we are living in Sodom and Gomorrha, and I have to agree!

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its just fashion! i think its strange that people get offended by Palestine. it would be hurtful for jews to hear that people are offended by Israel. we are all humans here there is nothing to be offended by if people want to wear it.
arab or jew we are all one! religion often divides people and i think it is so sad.

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I can't picture myself ever wearing this scarf.

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its just fashion! i think its strange that people get offended by Palestine. it would be hurtful for jews to hear that people are offended by Israel. we are all humans here there is nothing to be offended by if people want to wear it.
arab or jew we are all one! religion often divides people and i think it is so sad.
Well, I could go into a huge spiel about US involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, western commercialism, etc etc, but that's against the rules

But, it is pretty hard to stay out of political talk in instances like this.

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^ good idea xmodel

please avoid any race/politics/religion posting
we wont tolerate this and we sure aiam in keping this discussion going

respect and expect to be respected

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Balenciaga is the end of the coolness in this trend..
here from the fw07.08 catwalk

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I'm so sick of those scarves!!
and now my all time favourite designer Nicolas Ghesquiére is making kahfiyah skirts
I'm going back to bed

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I can't see lena's pictures, I hope I'm not posting the same ones..

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