Poisoned Femininity F/W 08.09

[ms-nietzsche]

I like this trend. It's like a 21st century take on the femme fatale

[shirleebee]

Yay! I wanted to finish updating this thread, but became too busy to do so. That's the irony of working in fashion...no time left to discuss it.

Alex White is great at this type of styling.

[Fontenrose]

I noticed this phrase in your blog Shirleebee and liked it. also "post-apocalyptic but expensive", something to think about.

I was thinking about it in terms of "broken dolls"...

[MUXU]

i love the title, so exotic

i do love the poisoned/decadent femininity. but as a general trend, it seems like men and women are getting tired of their initial sex appeal and have to exchange with one another in some ways. the mood is definitely dark and not so nice for women and softer and ethereal for men.

[fashionista-ta]

Originally Posted by softgrey

how is this different than neo goth really?...
christina ricci is the poster child for that as well...
and it seems pretty much the same thing from what you guys are describing..



anyway..
i really like what you wrote in your first post shirleebee......
'eschew' is a good word......

To me it's quite different (and I agree with Spike about the great title ). With neoGothic, you have eccentric innocence in a dark world (like Jane Eyre as you mention). What's different about this is the damage and the danger. I have no problem doing neoGothic, but this poisoned stuff is not me That's why I'm sure they're different

PS To me the Vera above fits this theme only because of the hair & makeup ...

[gius]

Originally Posted by MUXU

i love the title, so exotic

i do love the poisoned/decadent femininity. but as a general trend, it seems like men and women are getting tired of their initial sex appeal and have to exchange with one another in some ways. the mood is definitely dark and not so nice for women and softer and ethereal for men.

like an autumnal bouquet of rich sanguine

[kahlilg]

Originally Posted by fashionista-ta

PS To me the Vera above fits this theme only because of the hair & makeup ...

Really? I posted it because I thought the outfit itself was critiquing traditional views of femininity. Sure it's flashy, but the pants are very androgynous to me. I feel like the upper half of Freja is feminine and the lower half is masculine. idk...

[nextnewface]

Love it... I think it's a very refreshing trend I hope it carries on and trickles down to mass market... idk I think it would be a nice change to all the cr*p we're seeing these days... ugh

[fashionista-ta]

Originally Posted by kahlilg

Really? I posted it because I thought the outfit itself was critiquing traditional views of femininity. Sure it's flashy, but the pants are very androgynous to me. I feel like the upper half of Freja is feminine and the lower half is masculine. idk...

I agree with that ... but bringing a little masculinity into the mix isn't poison, is it?

[shirleebee]

Out of curiosity, how do you guys feel that Margiela's and Pilati's experiments with the erasure of identity and - especially - femininity in form relate to this poisoned trend? I find it all so morbidly fascinating.

[kahlilg]

Originally Posted by fashionista-ta

I agree with that ... but bringing a little masculinity into the mix isn't poison, is it?

well i think ruffian posted on page one could fall into the same category. however, i think you have a good point and please allow me to think about it for a while lol.

Originally Posted by shirleebee

Out of curiosity, how do you guys feel that Margiela's and Pilati's experiments with the erasure of identity and - especially - femininity in form relate to this poisoned trend? I find it all so morbidly fascinating.

what do you mean? i was going to write a reply but first i want to make sure we are on the right page!

[Fontenrose]

Originally Posted by shirleebee

Out of curiosity, how do you guys feel that Margiela's and Pilati's experiments with the erasure of identity and - especially - femininity in form relate to this poisoned trend? I find it all so morbidly fascinating.

I think the subject discussed in the Weight thread relates to the poisoned trend. Also many trends in the selection of the models, young, white, plain, disposable...

I agree with that ... but bringing a little masculinity into the mix isn't poison, is it?

with all the models chosen so as to diminish all the attributes of the feminine body, I think it is.

[Fontenrose]

yahoo news

Pilati's YSL Attack of the Clones: poisoned fem or showmanship?



yahoo news

Maison Martin Margiela HC S/S 08 Paris

Margiela = no femininity, barely even clothes, more sculpture
YSL = very distracting for the clothes, 20% poisoned

[shirleebee]

And now this!
http://www.thefashionspot.com/finish...to-couture-296

God, I really do feel this connects to the idea of a twisted, sick femininity, but it is also related the industrialist and sci-fi aesthetics we've seen pop up on the runways every so often. It's like Back to the Future. But it feels retro now, which makes it ironic.

Margiela's insistence of anonymity in his models and his recent clothing suggest the eating away of a distinct, gender-specifc identity. It's beyond androgyny, though. It's almost nonhuman (& Pilati and Ghesquiere are well on their way into this direction, as well). It's more conceptual than visually glamourous in any regard.

But until I figure out a new way to categorize all this cyborg chic into a coherent topic of its own (and I do feel it warrants one), I'll go back to poisoned feminity:

Boudicca COUTURE SPRING 2008:
http://www.elle.com/collections/1270...e-couture.html




elle.com

^An almost Victorian, Edward Gorey like take on Rodarte's pal

[Fontenrose]

cyberpunk! or an offshoot?

from wikipedia:

As a wider variety of writers began to work with cyberpunk concepts, new subgenres of science fiction emerged, playing off the cyberpunk label and focusing on technology and its social effects in different ways. Examples include steampunk (cyberpunk themes in the early industrial age), pioneered by Tim Powers, K. W. Jeter, and James Blaylock, and biopunk (cyberpunk themes dominated by biotechnology, including Paul Di Filippo’s half-serious ribofunk). In addition, some people consider works such as Neal Stephenson’s The Diamond Age to be postcyberpunk.