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26-07-2006
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I bought that exact patchwork Marc by Marc Jacobs jacket and wore it ONCE and felt really dumb. It's been sitting in my closet since. It's half-f*cked - all that patchwork and faded stretch denim is supposed to make it "old" 70s but the chunky shiny silver MJ zippers are so nouveau-riche. Grunge is best if DIY like the original bands and movements, layering granny's dresses over t-shirts and ripped tights, etc., I think. A designer grunge look is just so wrong. However, I do see shades of grunge in the babydoll dresses, especially those that look like nighties, and the big loose shapes, although they are more structured this time. It's sneaking back, and I'm quite curious how it will turn out. Btw, anyone fancies a cheap Marc jacket?


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i went to my local luxury dept. store to discover all the manneuins dressed like homeless people!
one was wearing a pair of wide leg suspended jeans (marc by marc jacobs)..it looked very good.

i loved the little touched like ripped shoes and black smears on the mannequins' faces.

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nope, Kurt Cobain, was way way way better than Pixies, although they were good too. He was a genius, and he was a beautiful person, looking as well as personality. He was magical, and a true grunge icon!
Wrong. I know it's opinion but still...wrong!

I am only jesting. Wrong though

Kurt never wrote anything nearly as good as Where Is My Mind? The sheer beauty of the Pixies music overpowers anything Kurt ever did in the space of three albums. I think even he knew that. He's only icon because he's dead. Beautiful person? Yeah, sure he was a pretty boy I don't see what effect that has on his music. Kurt is an icon, the Pixies are musicians.

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^Sad thing is Kurt never even wanted to be an icon........

Anyways, back to fashion, hmmm....I think on a lot of people, this is going to end up looking very contrived and well quite victim-ish, despite the look being all about low maintenance if you know what I mean.

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I think it's ridiculous that high-fashion has to take inspiration from what a bunch of poor kids throw together out of necessity, if not an outright anti-fashion stance. Grunge as high-fashion was silly when Jacobs did it in 92/93, and it's doubly-pathetic twice-removed in 2006.

Nonetheless, compared with seeing the generation that's younger than me suffering in awful unironic girly skirts, carefully overapplied makeup, with everything terribly overaccesorized--and always teetering painfully in high-heels, perhaps this is a welome relief.

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Oh, bumf***.

Grunge is indeed back, I saw some people in SoHo being very grunge. A moomoo in public paired with Louboutin wedges...God...The irony isn't even entertaining now...

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anyone else think think the new grunge is linked to "the scene"? I went to some crazy scenester clubs in LA recently and all I could think was how the scene kids all had that crazed, bored, faded look to them that made me think of early 90s grunge all over again... grunge was a movement in attitude, that showed in the dress. but to resurrect grunge as a fashion statement directly contradicts it's original intention. I think thats why I cant seem to get into the mindset of enjoying the new "grunge"...

without authenticity, the style seems just plain one dimensional and contrived. its like buying new distressed jeans.

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I love fashion and I love grunge, but I hate, hate, hate it when they come together and becomes a mass thing.

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Im too young to have experienced the first wave of grunge and when i showed an interest in it mummy was always like ... no no no your a little girl blah blah blah and shuved me in something horridly girly and pink.. so it will be nice to see what the new grunge look will bring .. i mgiht even try a few pieces if i like them
If it gets as big as boho was in 2004 ill cry

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anyone else think think the new grunge is linked to "the scene"? I went to some crazy scenester clubs in LA recently and all I could think was how the scene kids all had that crazed, bored, faded look to them that made me think of early 90s grunge all over again... grunge was a movement in attitude, that showed in the dress. but to resurrect grunge as a fashion statement directly contradicts it's original intention. I think thats why I cant seem to get into the mindset of enjoying the new "grunge"...

without authenticity, the style seems just plain one dimensional and contrived. its like buying new distressed jeans.
thank you. you're so right. grunge was a movement. i was a sullen teenager and the movement spoke to me. this "new grunge" just isn't authentic. we're a pop culture fueled by jessica simpson, jessica alba and jennifer anniston. our culture is not grunge. this is just a continuation of the fashion cycle of the past 10 yrs.. which is basically just to cycle through every decade season by season.

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Exactly, no matter if you want to call it "new grunge" or "neo grunge" it doesn't feel the same. Though I must say Kirten Dunst looks hot with it in some of her candids.

I don't think we have to blame it on Marc Jacobs, I don't think the guy has either the popularity or the ability to create a new wave of grunge it's just the fact people love looking at the past and make come backs plus grunge music has a lot behind it and quite few icons we love to merchandise with.

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thank you. you're so right. grunge was a movement. i was a sullen teenager and the movement spoke to me. this "new grunge" just isn't authentic. we're a pop culture fueled by jessica simpson, jessica alba and jennifer anniston. our culture is not grunge. this is just a continuation of the fashion cycle of the past 10 yrs.. which is basically just to cycle through every decade season by season.
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of course it's not 'authentic'......
it wasn't 'authentic' the FIRST time marc did it at perry ellis either...
a silk chiffon plaid shirt tied around the waist that cost $700 is a JOKE...
and so are all the people/victims who sported the 'look' last time...
and the ones who will do it this time...

and you CAN blame marc jacobs for the MASS distribution and acceptance of this look---from the early 90's and this time as well...

if you understand the way the BUSINESS of fashion works...
you understand the influence this man has...
and it is ALL his fault...

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this whole grunge thing has been nagging me the last couple of days..i was actually just wandering who exactly started ''the look"?...

i guess that^answers half my question..jacobs did really make it mass, huh? so bascially he was responsible for the way most of the characters in "Empire Records" were dressed?

...so if THAT look isn't authentic how far can the specific fad amongst teenagers can be traced? the 50's or the 60's?

i need some answers!

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- Marc Jacobs has a grunge spirit and personality, so it only makes sense that his collections will always hold that kind of edge. some collections more obviously grunge than others

-There will always be anti-luxury fashion ...it is definitely reactionary to extravagence but if it cost just as much it is a contradiction

- neo-Grunge is not going to blow up like it did the old grunge did. It was a style of dress that went along with an strong cultural movement. I dont see any cultural revolution going on right now...do you?

We need the following ingredients for this:

1) A strong build up of resentment toward society in general along with superficial pop culture
2) A leader or icon of the movement that is the voice of and embodies a rebellion that connects to an entire generation.

When this happens, whatever fashion that accompanies it will blow up, like grunge.

P.S. whoever said Kurt Cobain was better than the Pixies, I am just speechless

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There will always be anti-luxury fashion ...it is definitely reactionary to extravagence but if it cost just as much it is a contradiction


That is absolutely for sure, if it's not grunge they'll make something new up there is always an anti fashion statement.

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Absolutely, not only you need the clothes, you need the SPIRIT.

"Neo grunge" or this so called new wave grunge is just too comercial...I am sure people who wear it only do it to feel different(not authentic, that's different) or to look to cool for one and other. Some will do it just to look hot, and that's not grunge to me.

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Have to agree on that too, but I tell you he isn't to "blame" for this, I don't believe he has the ability to transform the masses into grunge, he isn't that good and I believe only a group of his too cool to be true followers l will like grunge just cause he says so on the runway.

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