Fashion Terms/Terminology and Abbreviations - Page 9

purechris · 15-07-2005

here you go Hanne:

The Gigot or Gigot De Mouton Sleeve 1825-1833

The sleeves of the Romantic Era are the main feature and were built on an inverted triangle bodice. The bodice décolletage was so exposed by the pull of the wide sleeves that it really showed off the chest, throat and the sloping shoulders.

The full length gigot or leg of lamb sleeve or the gigot de mouton known as the leg of mutton sleeve, was first seen in 1824. The long sleeve pattern was cut on the true cross of the fabric. It was rounded at the top, increasing to greater size.

Romantic gigot sleeves C1826

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After 1825 the decade saw sleeves billow to huge proportions by 1833. They came to typify the look we now associate with the costume of the Romantic Era.

By the mid 1830s the enlarged top cap was sagging with its own enormity. There was so much material that the fullness initially held up with inner stiff buckram support or 'crin' horsehair fabric began to flop. The buckram was replaced with either whalebone hoops in a cotton cover or feather filled pads. When by 1835 the supports stopped being effective the sagged fabric volume collapsed down the arm and merged into a new sleeve fashion.

softgrey · 15-07-2005

thx chris!!...

idareyoutoforget · 20-07-2005

wow this thread rocks my socks

adorevintage · 25-07-2005

Organdy and Georgette? A type of fabric?

i_<3_chanel · 25-07-2005

organdy ? never heard of it
apparently it is ' A stiff transparent fabric of cotton or silk, used for trim, curtains, and light apparel.'

georgette is a sheer silk which is quite strong
& it has a crepey surface

tott · 25-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by i_<3_chanel

organdy ? never heard of it
apparently it is ' A stiff transparent fabric of cotton or silk, used for trim, curtains, and light apparel.'

It's called "organza" in my part of the world. I've never seen it in curtains, though...

i_<3_chanel · 25-07-2005

i thought it might be organza too !
tht's wht i call it !
but i wasnt sure

softgrey · 25-07-2005

i have seen it in curtains...especially for 'sheers'...
usually the underlayer...

but i think organdy might be a bit less stiff than organza...
not 100% certain...they are certainly very similar in their sheer and slightly stiff properties...

shopsmuch · 30-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by tott

It's called "organza" in my part of the world. I've never seen it in curtains, though...

I have organdy curtains in my bedroom.

Merriam-Webster definition of organdy: "a very fine transparent muslin with a stiff finish "

organza: a sheer dress fabric (as of silk or nylon) resembling organdy

Sounds like soft_grey's definition was on the right track but it's the opposite...organdy's a bit more stiff than organza...at least according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

*Happiness* · 30-07-2005

YEah Shopsmuch, organdy is a transparent muslin with a stiff finish. I just bought some a couple of weeks ago...from what I was told at the fabric store I went to, some stores don't sell it anymore....so the textile industry may be trying to do away with it. Not sure.

Okay, my question is

What is couture and haute couture? In laymans terms please. I went to webster.com and didn't quite understand the definition. Im sure some fashion scholars here will have a better description.

tott · 31-07-2005

Couture = tailoring
Haute couture = master tailoring

Sort of.

Estella* · 31-07-2005

this thread is so enlightening! happiness, softgrey, tott and everyone, thanls for all your explanations

i have a stupid question: what's the difference beween hose/hosiery and tights

i had actually not heard of the term at all, before the nude hose thing in 'what are you wearing' came up and we call pants that

droogist · 31-07-2005

^ As I understand it, hose is sheer and tights are opaque. (I could be wrong though, this has always been a point of confusion for me, too.

)

softgrey · 31-07-2005

true droogist...

'hosiery' refers to all legwear, including socks...

'hose' is short for pantyhose...which are sheer

'tights' are a heavier 'denier' (thickness) and so are opaque

'semi-opaques' can be referred to as tights or hose depending on the sheerness vs opacity...

Estella* · 31-07-2005

thank you softbob

and droogist

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purechris no photos, no photos Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: homme Posts: 2,887	here you go Hanne: The Gigot or Gigot De Mouton Sleeve 1825-1833 The sleeves of the Romantic Era are the main feature and were built on an inverted triangle bodice. The bodice décolletage was so exposed by the pull of the wide sleeves that it really showed off the chest, throat and the sloping shoulders. The full length gigot or leg of lamb sleeve or the gigot de mouton known as the leg of mutton sleeve, was first seen in 1824. The long sleeve pattern was cut on the true cross of the fabric. It was rounded at the top, increasing to greater size. Romantic gigot sleeves C1826Click thumbnail TO TOP OF PAGE After 1825 the decade saw sleeves billow to huge proportions by 1833. They came to typify the look we now associate with the costume of the Romantic Era. By the mid 1830s the enlarged top cap was sagging with its own enormity. There was so much material that the fullness initially held up with inner stiff buckram support or 'crin' horsehair fabric began to flop. The buckram was replaced with either whalebone hoops in a cotton cover or feather filled pads. When by 1835 the supports stopped being effective the sagged fabric volume collapsed down the arm and merged into a new sleeve fashion.

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i_<3_chanel elementary. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: .! Gender: femme Posts: 4,154	organdy ? never heard of it apparently it is ' A stiff transparent fabric of cotton or silk, used for trim, curtains, and light apparel.' georgette is a sheer silk which is quite strong & it has a crepey surface __________________ nothing can compare to when you roll the dice and swear your love's for me <33

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Happiness V.I.P. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: it's beautiful up here... Gender: femme Posts: 4,115	YEah Shopsmuch, organdy is a transparent muslin with a stiff finish. I just bought some a couple of weeks ago...from what I was told at the fabric store I went to, some stores don't sell it anymore....so the textile industry may be trying to do away with it. Not sure. Okay, my question is What is couture and haute couture? In laymans terms please. I went to webster.com and didn't quite understand the definition. Im sure some fashion scholars here will have a better description. __________________ "when you become quiet, it just dawns on you." ~thomas edison.

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softgrey flaunt the imperfection.. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: downtown... Gender: femme Posts: 49,970	thx chris!!...

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softgrey flaunt the imperfection.. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: downtown... Gender: femme Posts: 49,970	i have seen it in curtains...especially for 'sheers'... usually the underlayer... but i think organdy might be a bit less stiff than organza... not 100% certain...they are certainly very similar in their sheer and slightly stiff properties...

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tott slightly dizzy Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: homme Posts: 4,261	Couture = tailoring Haute couture = master tailoring Sort of.

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Estella* a dim capacity for wings Design Team Leader Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: la rue Gender: femme Posts: 7,651	this thread is so enlightening! happiness, softgrey, tott and everyone, thanls for all your explanations i have a stupid question: what's the difference beween hose/hosiery and tights i had actually not heard of the term at all, before the nude hose thing in 'what are you wearing' came up and we call pants that __________________ mode schoepfung estella mare

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droogist spoilt victorian child Join Date: Jan 2005 Gender: femme Posts: 1,975	^ As I understand it, hose is sheer and tights are opaque. (I could be wrong though, this has always been a point of confusion for me, too. )

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softgrey flaunt the imperfection.. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: downtown... Gender: femme Posts: 49,970	true droogist... 'hosiery' refers to all legwear, including socks... 'hose' is short for pantyhose...which are sheer 'tights' are a heavier 'denier' (thickness) and so are opaque 'semi-opaques' can be referred to as tights or hose depending on the sheerness vs opacity...

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Estella* a dim capacity for wings Design Team Leader Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: la rue Gender: femme Posts: 7,651	thank you softbob and droogist __________________ mode schoepfung estella mare

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