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15-07-2005
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here you go Hanne:

The Gigot or Gigot De Mouton Sleeve 1825-1833

The sleeves of the Romantic Era are the main feature and were built on an inverted triangle bodice. The bodice décolletage was so exposed by the pull of the wide sleeves that it really showed off the chest, throat and the sloping shoulders.

The full length gigot or leg of lamb sleeve or the gigot de mouton known as the leg of mutton sleeve, was first seen in 1824. The long sleeve pattern was cut on the true cross of the fabric. It was rounded at the top, increasing to greater size.

Romantic gigot sleeves C1826Click thumbnail
After 1825 the decade saw sleeves billow to huge proportions by 1833. They came to typify the look we now associate with the costume of the Romantic Era.

By the mid 1830s the enlarged top cap was sagging with its own enormity. There was so much material that the fullness initially held up with inner stiff buckram support or 'crin' horsehair fabric began to flop. The buckram was replaced with either whalebone hoops in a cotton cover or feather filled pads. When by 1835 the supports stopped being effective the sagged fabric volume collapsed down the arm and merged into a new sleeve fashion.

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thx chris!!...

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wow this thread rocks my socks

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Organdy and Georgette? A type of fabric?

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organdy ? never heard of it
apparently it is ' A stiff transparent fabric of cotton or silk, used for trim, curtains, and light apparel.'

georgette is a sheer silk which is quite strong
& it has a crepey surface


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organdy ? never heard of it
apparently it is ' A stiff transparent fabric of cotton or silk, used for trim, curtains, and light apparel.'
It's called "organza" in my part of the world. I've never seen it in curtains, though...

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i thought it might be organza too !
tht's wht i call it !
but i wasnt sure

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i have seen it in curtains...especially for 'sheers'...
usually the underlayer...

but i think organdy might be a bit less stiff than organza...
not 100% certain...they are certainly very similar in their sheer and slightly stiff properties...

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It's called "organza" in my part of the world. I've never seen it in curtains, though...
I have organdy curtains in my bedroom.


Merriam-Webster definition of organdy: "a very fine transparent muslin with a stiff finish "

organza: a sheer dress fabric (as of silk or nylon) resembling organdy

Sounds like soft_grey's definition was on the right track but it's the opposite...organdy's a bit more stiff than organza...at least according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

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YEah Shopsmuch, organdy is a transparent muslin with a stiff finish. I just bought some a couple of weeks ago...from what I was told at the fabric store I went to, some stores don't sell it anymore....so the textile industry may be trying to do away with it. Not sure.

Okay, my question is

What is couture and haute couture? In laymans terms please. I went to webster.com and didn't quite understand the definition. Im sure some fashion scholars here will have a better description.

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31-07-2005
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Couture = tailoring
Haute couture = master tailoring

Sort of.

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31-07-2005
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this thread is so enlightening! happiness, softgrey, tott and everyone, thanls for all your explanations

i have a stupid question: what's the difference beween hose/hosiery and tights

i had actually not heard of the term at all, before the nude hose thing in 'what are you wearing' came up and we call pants that

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^ As I understand it, hose is sheer and tights are opaque. (I could be wrong though, this has always been a point of confusion for me, too. )

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true droogist...

'hosiery' refers to all legwear, including socks...

'hose' is short for pantyhose...which are sheer

'tights' are a heavier 'denier' (thickness) and so are opaque

'semi-opaques' can be referred to as tights or hose depending on the sheerness vs opacity...


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thank you softbob and droogist

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