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15-03-2004
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Originally posted by tott+Mar 15th, 2004 - 3:04 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tott @ Mar 15th, 2004 - 3:04 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lena@Mar 15th, 2004 - 6:58 pm
local stereotypes make me mad in the global environment, really
we all live in the same kind of culture, buy the same products , get bombarded by the same advertising, see the same films/tv soaps, i cant see what's the big deal..

some love dividing people, i can see those roots being valid in the past (15+years ago) but not anymore, the world is a changing playground and some journalists seem to be missing the point
Well... In some ways we are very much alike, in some other ways not, but I think we're certainly more alike than different.

There are still cultural differences between different parts of Europe, or between US/Europe.

Anyway, the article is a joke, I agree with you all. One of the stereotypes I don't understand is that Parisians are rude. I've had friends tell me this too. Practically everyone I met was very nice!

I believe the reason people were nice to me, although I speak practically no French what-so-ever, was that I remembered to be polite. To say "Bonjour, madame/monsieur. Parlez-vouz anglais?" and not just starting to chat away. I mean, if you are rude to Parisians, why should they be polite to you? [/b][/quote]
hey tott-my take on why everyone thinks parisians are rude...it's a very busy metropolis and moves at a very fast pace...all major cities are stressful places to live...i think this stress can come accross as rude...but they act that way towards each other just as much as they do towards foreigners...it's just life in the big city and some people aren't used to it...
it's very much the same here in ny...

i love paris

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18-11-2004
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French style!
Hey All!
Im new to this site but Im loving all the threads!

I just wanted to know, if anyone has an insight into real Frech fashion?
Me and my friends were flicking through a mag and it said that French women are the most stylist. They only have a certain amount of clothes that they wear over and over again and manage to look so compleatly stylish!
I wanna know their secrets!!!!!!! Lol
And if its true or not because we all know sometimes fashion mags do exaggerate!!!
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so if anyone can help me out..........THANK YOU!!!

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I don't believe the French are the most stylish. We perceive this idea because in times past fashion came from Europe to the USA.

But now, the roles are switching as Hollywood has become more globalized and celebrities (Americans) have become more known on a global level.

There are stylish people everywhere, they're just not as publicized.

To answer your question as to what French women wear, why, they wear the very same things we wear here. It's just a matter of cultural taste and what is defined tasteful or fashionably deviant.

Another factor as to why we perceive the French as having more style, or being more fashionable, is because they have so much more confidence in their own personal style.

As my personal quote goes "Style is what you have, not what you buy" so you can purchase everything a French woman has in her wardrobe, but if you can't pull it off like she can, then what's the point?

By the way, welcome to the forums.

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I agree with the above. I find Paris a very much 'has been' city. Just in terms that it used to be the centre of thought and literary achievments and new things happening but isn't anymore. That was just my own personal perspective of when I was in Paris. I find that there are stylish people everywhere but that there are new places. I find that british women are generally more likely to wear what they want with flair than parisians but then again it's just a different style. It's really hard to define. You just have to know what your style is and be comfortable enough with yourself to wear what you want.

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well...i was in paris two weeks ago...and everytime i go...i am reminded how great that city is and why they are so much more stylish than most other places in the world...
i agree that they do have great confidence in themselves, which is a big part of it...but they are also not so obsessed with overt sexuality and showing lots of skin...

they have more of a 'sensuality'...

they are not afraid to wear something that does not necessarily show off their hips and waist...something more boxy...and they wear lots of flat shoes as well as lots of heels...there is not on definitive way to look...each woman wears what looks best on her..and this is what i think sets them apart...
they are not such trend victims...they know what works and stick to it....giving it their own personal touch...they never look like they are trying too hard... they do not follow some hollywood machine or celebrity style guide...they do what works for themselves...

that is the definition of style for me...
and the cliche about the scarves is true...both men and women wear them in innumerable ways...

thanks for the interesting topic geha... welcome aboard...

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you thought so softie? When I was in Paris in February I was so unimpressed with the way people dressed. I was in la marais mostly and just thought that it was very normal and nothing really "special" about it.

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i was there too...i loved it...that's where my hotel was...
we also had great weather though and everyone was out and about sporting their best...so i got lucky...

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i, too, was put under the impression that French style was best and that no one can truly understand it except to be French. i have never seen with my own eyes if it's true, but i'd like to.

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Originally posted by adorevintage@Nov 18 2004, 08:00 PM
Another factor as to why we perceive the French as having more style, or being more fashionable, is because they have so much more confidence in their own personal style.

As my personal quote goes "Style is what you have, not what you buy" so you can purchase everything a French woman has in her wardrobe, but if you can't pull it off like she can, then what's the point?
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i completely agree. but overall, in paris i have always seen a lot of simplicity on the streets. in clubs, it can be a bit different, i have seen some strange looks, looks that are quite horrible ! but it was worn as if it was THE most elegant thing she owned, or as if it was nothing at all. that attiude i find i bit rare here. i dont think they are the most stylish, but i find the american hipster look to be quite un -stylish and that particular level of 'cheesiness' i dont see elsewhere. cherish yourself, values and style, that is what makes you stand out.dont try to be someone else.

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gah, I wish there were more real hipsters around here! I despise faux hipster but I love the 'I don't give a damn' attitude which I think makes anyone attractive in what they wear

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whatever they want.

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the ladies in the left bank are so stylish. around st germain. french women are so good at wearing classics but updated to give a respectful nod to the trend of the day (just to let you know that they know the score). However they almost never look like fashion victims or slavishly follow that dictats of fashion magazines. I think hey can be more open minded in how they dress - celebrity and copying celebrity) is less important. The whole Ugg craze never really caught on in France.

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24-11-2004
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AHHH been trying to get on Tfs for days but it wouldnt let me!
Thanks for all your replies. i agree with u all on the fashion.......
Im hooked on the european way of dressing because where i live everyones either dressing us as sienna (REALLY BADLY) or in trackies all the time!
So what do you guys reckon the main item of clothing for a french/european women are?
do we have any french/european people here?

ps thank you softgray for saying hello!

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24-11-2004
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Parisian chic in 10 easy steps

Ever wondered just why the French look so good? After her people-watching expedition to the style capital Hadley Freeman offers a DIY guide

Friday March 5, 2004
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So, are the French still chic? It is a question that does niggle. Well, it occasionally niggles the French, because they have constructed their national identity around it (that, and smelly cheese, which might explain why they are so keen to defend the chic element). And it often niggles the rest of the world which, from time to time, has said unkind things about the cheese- eating surrender monkeys, and their much-vaunted sense of style.
Certainly Paris fashion week beats the bejesus out of everyone else (New York, too furry; London, too silly; Milan, too Footballers' Wives), but what of the French themselves? Stereotypes and gentle xenophobia aside, yes, they are a cut above the rest of us. From my exhaustive research into the matter - standing on a street corner in the city for two hours - I bring you the secrets behind Parisian chic. But remember, as Mulder and Scully told us all along, just because the truth is out does not guarantee you acceptance among the aliens.

1: Always wear sunglasses
A Parisienne without her big, chunky sunglasses would be like Chris Moyles without his team of flunkies - a sad and lost specimen, divested of the props against which to bounce her personality. Ditch any fears about what others will think - a true Parisienne would rarely bother with such worries (see 10). Sunglasses make even Johnny Halliday look cool (sort of) and cover up puffy eyes caused by too many Gauloises. But, please, no coloured lenses. These are only excusable if you are in Atomic Kitten and then only out of pity

2: Your bag should be no bigger than your dog
And your dog, obviously, is one of those yappy little things (currently being popularised by various American heiresses on TV, although you, of course, pay no attention to the Americans). They are perfect for sitting on your lap while you sit decorously in a cafe, sipping your cappuccino, arguing with Bernard-Henri Lévy about how the 21st-century soul has lost its passion. Or something.

Bags should be hand-held, quilted if you are over 50 (that's right, we are talking Chanel, and we are talking lots of) or plain for the younger ones. Absolutely no rucksacks - such slobbiness is reminiscent of French exchanges, which is one facet of the country that probably did not inspire you to exalt Gallic chic.

3: Coordination is a beautiful thing
An English woman sees a skirt with a big floral pattern and thinks, "How sweet! I'd love to have that pattern on my new sofa, but, in the interim, I'll wear it on my legs. Sod the fact that I've got nothing that goes with it." A French woman would not even notice the skirt. A French woman coordinates her entire outfits days in advance, ensuring her socks match her hairclip, which matches her top, which matches her coat. Frightening, yes. But, dammit, they do look better than Britons dressed in loose covers.

4: The effort is always worth it
That means no outfits for bad-hair days/fat days/can't-be-arsed days. The irony about those outfits is that they actually make you look worse: no matter how fat you feel, wearing a big kaftan is going to make you look 10 times bigger. So, instead, slip into your little cropped trousers and pair them with ballet pumps. Yes, you will probably feel so miserable that you may have to crawl into a loo and break a mirror but, hey, at least you look good.

5: Pancake or au naturel
If you are over 35, slap on the full face of makeup, including lippy, before even your husband sees you in the mornings; if you are under 35, just keep it plain, with lipgloss. As in so many areas of life, boys have it even easier. Theirs is a choice between the shabby, unshaven man who resembles an extra from Jean de Florette and who, perhaps, is an occasional friend of absinthe, and his more groomed, handsome-to-the-point-of-silliness counterpart, best epitomised by Mr Kylie Minogue, Olivier Martinez. Happily, for any boys after the true Parisian look, both make one look like a character in a Truffaut film.

6: Think helmet hair
Not only in shape (although you should definitely bear this in mind after you blow out the candles on your 50th birthday cake), but colour. Parisian ladies favour the solid block of colour, not the streaky-bacon look that Americans prefer, with highlights strewn about, party streamer-like.

This epitomises the differences between the two countries: both are equally high-maintenance and arrogant, but whereas one revels in its nature, the other denies it is so and gives off the impression of chic simplicity. Ultimately, both are just as fussy as an uptown Manhattanite with extensive food allergies and a fondness for Egyptian sheets with a threadcount of 240.

7: Men wear scarves
There must be some law about this in Paris. Of the 37 males I counted in 15 minutes, 35 were wearing scarves and the other two had polo necks. Maybe they all have mucky necks. Or maybe they are so Frrrrrrench and sexy that the women cannot control themselves and cover them in lovebites. Whatever, it is a most dashing look in a Charles Lindbergh kind of way. But, um, French, naturellement .

8: Gold
Silver? Pah! But gold? Ah, ma cherie, c'est bon! They are quite right. Wear too much silver and you resemble a rock star's 16-year-old Sloaney daughter, or a Hell's Angel, or both. Yes, a knuckle slathered in gold will bring back memories of Joan Collins, but may I just take this opportunity to say that Joan's style tips have heretofore been underrated? Look at how well she has done: a handsome young man called Percy, regularly featured in the Daily Mail as a "style icon" - what more could you want?

9: Fur! Glorious fur!
Even in the summer, you love your skins. Think mink, think fox - do not think hamster. And remember, the bulkier your coat, the better to push people out of the way (see 10).

10: Be rude as hell
Stereotypes aside, I think we can all agree that the French have, shall we say, a fluid concept of manners. So be sullen, pushy and never let the words excusez-moi pass your lips, except in a sarcastic tone. And why not? You look great and you damn well know it. Plus, of course, smiling causes wrinkles.

One last thought: yes, the French do look good, but at least our music is way cooler than their Eurocheese stuff, right? Enjoy Mysterious Girl at number one this weekend, everyone!


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25-11-2004
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I really must get to paris one of these days and find out what is so great about French fashion, (as I think the fash mags are average- my favourites are English).

Here on the Cote d'Azur the fashion sometimes (in fact nearly always) makes me cringe!

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