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15-04-2004
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i think the key to making fashion work when you have little money is using creativity. mixing vintage finds with more contemporary pieces, altering thrift store finds that aren't quite right but have potential. and knowing when to splurge on that occassional expensive pair of shoes or jeans that will bring your look together every time. style doesnt come from owning obviously expensive rags, it comes from knowing what looks good and what complements.

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Originally posted by softgrey@Apr 15th, 2004 - 8:51 pm
having designer clothes doesn't mean you have extra style...it means youo have extra money...
Certainly does!

When I was younger and didn't really have any money to buy designer stuff, I still managed to look good. Great stuff doesn't have to cost a lot, you simply need to be a bit creative to achieve the looks you want. It's educational in some ways...!

But... If we're talking about Romania, which I think is THE poorest country in Europe, "ordinary" people have practically no money. Sometimes not even enough for bare necessities, let alone small luxuries.

Since I moved to Italy I find myself in a situation where I make doube, maybe even triple, the amount of some of my Italian colleagues. Italian salaries are very low compared to Swedish ones, and I do get paid a decent "Swedish" salary. I am good at what I do, but it feels very unfair.

They have to budget to buy a new winter jacket, and not an expensive designer one either. I go shopping and spend hundreds on skincare, maybe some new shoes, perhaps another sweater... Sometimes I feel guilty when I waltz into the office dressed head-to-toe in designer wear.

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But... If we're talking about Romania, which I think is THE poorest country in Europe
I think it's actually thought to be Moldova, but yah it's in the same area..

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I live in Mexico, but in the richest city of the country, Monterrey. You wouldn´t imagine what people have here... Everyone and his mother wear Louis Vuitton or Fendi handbags, but they pair them with Zara´s outfits or anything, so no big deal, they are not into fashion they just want to show off. Is when you go to the clubs where you see the gorgeous heiresses dressed beautifully in obviously haute couture or designer outfits in their sized 2 body. They wear furs in winter (is not even cold in here), amazing jewelry...

The social contrasts are huge in this country, so sad.

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Originally posted by Bixii@Apr 15th, 2004 - 4:34 pm


The social contrasts are huge in this country, so sad.
I agree, the social contrasts are so different in most countries...but as we're talking about Romania........

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Originally posted by oanadobre@Apr 15th, 2004 - 4:59 pm
I truly apreciate all your comments, but I guess we must go back to the topic, before Leyla spots us and gets upset .
Please tell me, how can little money and fashion mix?
oanadobre, i never get upset when offtopic... its just always a reminder...
you know i love you all

on topic;

i feel with you concerning the average wage in ur country.
its the same in my home country (in which i never lived btw) IRAN.
the avergae wage is a bit higher than in romania and its true that the avergae woman really cannot afford anything BUT food...
the fashionable ladies are unfortunately or fortunately the ones who have travelled abroad and made their money in the west.
those are the ones who live like kings and queens back home... and usually are the most sTYLISH people

but anyway, on a regulae basis... one doesnt need money to look stylish

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Well, speaking as a working class woman (from the USA), I can tell you that high-fashion and designers aren't that important or influential to me. I mean, everyone knows what Gucci is, but in my neighborhood, shopping at a store like Jones or Macy's is being really posh. Most people wear stuff from Wal-Mart, Target, and Old-Navy, as well as from thrift-shops. Most of us like to follow the current fashions as much as is practical, but there is a certain amount of time-lag in adopting trends, and some trends are completely ignored if they are too impractical or expensive, even at discount level.

Some people, like me, wear a lot of vintage/second-hand, and some of us make our own clothes, to project a certain style and to save money.

When you're really hurting for cash, like you might get your lights cut off and you have to pay your bus fare with a fist full of pennies, then fashion and beauty go by the wayside. If you can keep clean and respectable, that is the most important thing. I'll keep polishing a pair of shoes, re-glueing the soles, bleaching and darning a pair of socks if I have to, but I don't let anyone see me looking particularly shabby. That's why I have grubbies for at home, then I have my good clothes for work or going out. If I destroy my good clothes, I can't just go out and buy something new. It takes an amount of budgetary maneuvering when I need something like a pair of shoes or a new coat.

Thanks be I haven't been in a real tight spot in a while, but I know what it is like and I know how to cope. Some poorer people do try to run with the big dogs too much--weekly hair appointments, maxed out credit cards, cars/SUVS that they think are ritzy...this happens and quite a lot more than it should. I think fashionablity expectations can be kind of cruel to people who are living paycheck to paycheck, and I know too many people who pay for a set of fills when they should be paying their phone bill, or who just have to buy that new Tommy jacket when they are already behind on the gas bill. Some people don't manage that balance between fashion wants and real-life necessities, and make life a lot harder on themselves than it really needs to be. Like it isn't hard enough already.

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well said, as always, as you like it!

i'm from kiev, ukraine. contrasts are high there. average wage is low. 100 - 150 dollars. but, recently, i've been noticing women saving up for high end make up, like christian dior mascara, estee lauder lipgloss, and so on. it makes them feel a bit more 'luxurious', so i agree, that is a good idea, to have designer brands make cosmetics etc.

i don't get much money cos my parents say that if they allow me to buy whatever i want, then i will not appreciate things, have no sense of value or respect towards expesnive items, and it will be hard for me later on in life. of course i grumble about this, but i agree with it.
so now i've been learning how to make 'do it yourself' belts, skirts...i find old jeans, cut them up, add funky beads or whatever, and i have a funky pair of summer shorts. it's not all about the money.
h&m has nicer stuff than some desigenr places. so there

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I udnerstand alto hwo you feel, there is sucha dilema in lfie for me, becuas I love fashion,art, food etc. allt hese wonderful ebatifult hings, btu also i hate the money system and the unfairness taht it cuases and hwo things work.

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I know what you're talking about .. I live in Costa Rica .. this is a third world country ..though we aren't as bad as some other south-american countries ... my suggestion and the solution to your problems is going vintage ... it may become an scavenger hunt , but it just adds up as more fun ... if you need any other tips, feel free to post/PM me ...
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I come from a fairly affluent family so my entire childhood until age 18 I got whatever I wanted, no questions asked. Once I started college, though, I was basically cut off, being told "If you want clothes, get a job and buy them yourself." At first I was like "Huh? Work? " But anyway my point is, being a student I have to make my money stretch, which is frustrating, especially when I see some Daddy's Girl Jewish-American Princess prance by with her brand new designer bag of the month. Ok, what I'm saying is, I usually do my major shopping four times a year, at the start of each season, I'll save up a bit of money and go buy things that are cute, but not terribly trendy so they won't be tired in a month. This way, I have clothes, but I'm not broke. I'll hit up thrift stores, anywhere that I can find something cute. I got a beautiful Marilyn Monroe-esque Dior vintage rabbit fur coat at the Goodwill for 2 dollars. Then if I find I need something during the season, I let myself buy one or two things. Thrift stores can be really great, but don't be sucked in by cheap stores like Rave, because yeah you may get a shirt for 5 dollars, but it's very likely it will fall apart the first time you wash it. If it's possible, it's good to buy a few basic staples that are high quality, because they'll last forever. They'll cost more, but if you own that pair of pants for ten years, it's gonna pay for itself several times over. Oh yeah, it's also good to make a clothing budget. Okay, you make 100 bucks a month, so after all your bills are paid off, put a little bit aside in a bank account or something. After a few months, you should have a tidy sum saved up, and you can use that to go buy your fall/winter wardrobe. That's what I do . Hope that helped.

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Originally posted by strawberry daiquiri+Apr 15th, 2004 - 10:06 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(strawberry daiquiri @ Apr 15th, 2004 - 10:06 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-tott@Apr 15th, 2004 - 9:44 pm
But... If we're talking about Romania, which I think is THE poorest country in Europe
I think it's actually thought to be Moldova, but yah it's in the same area.. [/b][/quote]
i think its actually Bulgaria

anyway, one needs to invest a very small amount of money and can still be completly fashionable.
i agree with softgrey, its not what you wear is how you wear it.
try having a look at your mother's or even grandmother's wardrobe and mix and match with flair, throw in your own jeans and just spent a bit of money on shoes.
this will do your trick, no need for flashy logos much more when one makes 100$ per month.

one cannot buy style, take a good look at most of the so called 'celebrities'

with all the money to spent and they still look totally unstylish

it doesnt take money, it only takes culture, personality, taste and a natural 'love' for things beautiful.

you can make it onadobre

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Yah, I can only agree with each of your sentiments.. we all know just how unfair the distribution of wealth is, and that the attitude of the first world makes few exceptions for the third. That's why when I see the bottom of Europe's earning pyramid I feel all material pleasures are guilty.

Europe's 10 lowest incomes per capita: (the second number their earnings relative to Denmark, the richest, and representing 100)

1. Moldova : 1
2. Belarus : 1
3. Ukraine : 1
4. Albania : 2
5. Serbia : 3
6. Bulgaria: 3
7. Russian Federation: 4
8. Romania : 4
9. Latvia : 5
10. Macedonia : 6

Denmark pays 87x the median pay of the poorest country (Moldova), yet the people there must pay roughly the same prices?

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very interesting.. i had no clue , thanks strawberry

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Yah, I can only agree with each of your sentiments.. we all know just how unfair the distribution of wealth is, and that the attitude of the first world makes few exceptions for the third. That's why when I see the bottom of Europe's earning pyramid I feel all material pleasures are guilty.

Europe's 10 lowest incomes per capita: (the second number their earnings relative to Denmark, the richest, and representing 100)

1. Moldova : 1
2. Belarus : 1
3. Ukraine : 1
4. Albania : 2
5. Serbia : 3
6. Bulgaria: 3
7. Russian Federation: 4
8. Romania : 4
9. Latvia : 5
10. Macedonia : 6

Denmark pays 87x the median pay of the poorest country (Moldova), yet the people there must pay roughly the same prices?
aww..ukraine.. see..it's horrible..when i go to ukraine.., i see these people who struggle with feeding their family and paying for education..then i see the extremely wealthy ones, who stroll around in dior, gucci, chanel..it's just ahh.

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