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27-04-2013
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Dream on softgrey baby! Debbie and Chrissie are relics,-- why would any PR in their right mind-- in this youth-obsessed climate, promote the event with 50-something headlining?

Let the mindless and dope-filled parade on opening night commence. Even if all the nitwits were banned from this show, it's still high fashion's take on punk. In that context, this show can't really escape from the shallow connotations.

I think I'm loving this opening mess more and more: Beyonce, Kanye, Kim for an event celebrating punk... That is hilarious! I hope they add Justin Beaver and Selena Gomez to sell this to the tweens. Oh Anna, you uninspired piece of commercial rubbish, turning everything into a department store catalogue for the masses. And Riccardo, you desperate thug-wannabe, still hustling those overpriced ugly-*** graphic tees to the superfuturers and now hustling your BFFs Kanye and Beyonce to headline... punk. Just a mess of an event that is as credible to its original source as these rich, vapid spoilt brats are clueless to the spirit of punk. Sit back and enjoy this joke. Just seeing that invitation-- which resembles something designed for a WalMart licensed junior perfume line, complete with "grunge"-splattered typeface (how very 2006 of you!) should clue you in on how clueless this all will be.
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because i think at the end of the day,the essence and spirit of the punk movement in all its social consciousness,gets lost in all the superficiality. the irony is,punk wholeheartedly anti-superficial....anti-establishment....anti-emperor's new clothes. that's why it worried me originally how this will be conveyed. i would like to see this being shown in the social manner in which it influenced a generation of ideals and individualism.
but how could you possibly convey the spirit of punk in an exhibit about fashion?
the ethos of punk is anti-fashion.
fashion takes the signs of punk and kills its spirit thereby...

i mean, i believe the spirit was there in the way that rei and yohji
were creating back in the very early days, but that was a brief and exceptional moment.

this will be an exhibit about appropriation--i.e. stealing...
not about the materialization of spirit.

I wonder how Oliver Saillard would do it...he's probably too smart to think
it's a good idea though. :p

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Dear softgrey:
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Cover me with love
Roll me in designer sheets
I'll never get enough...


Yeah yeah I know this is frothy, creamy pop goddess Debbie, but I love the decadence of it all. You know, the idea of opening night with all the stars and celebrities all dressed in insanely expensive designer "punk", pulled together by legions of stylists and hair and makeup teams, is simply too irresistible to hate on. The irony must be lost on the organizers: This is fashion at its most homogenized, shallow, gimmicky, soulless and corporate. Now, if only someone would crash this thing in some DIY getup-- completely trashed themselves...

Will Courtney Love be there?

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i agree phuel...
that's why i want them to dress UP!!!...
in their ridiculous designer duds...
with some faux hawks spray painted pink...etc...

t'will be fun, for sure...
even if just to poke fun at the spectacle of it all...
can you imagine kim kardashian in some plaid and pleather maternity tent with spikes and studs all over it...?!?
......

laika...
who on earth is Oliver Saillard?

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But anti-fashion is still fashion. It's a statement made through and with clothing, either intentionally or not. So why not celebrate anti-fashion?

Besides which, we'd be kidding ourselves if we didn't acknowledge that under capitalism and under our highly mediated society, everything gets co-opted.

Case in point: look at Lollapalooza. When it began in 1991 (which, by the way, featured Siouxsie!) it was anti-corporate and carnivalesque; it was about "taking the whole day off" in the middle of the week and escaping into fantasy. But, like with punk style, over time it became corporate and was sponsored heavily. It was staged on the weekends. It grew large. More and more people jumped on the bandwagon. The Simpsons made an episode based on it, etc, etc.

Alas, that's how the cookie crumbles.

But does that mean that punk is something that should be shunned, that can't be hearkened? That the spirit is in effable? I say it's sad if that's the case. And I think some effort to capture the essence of the movement - it's "spirit" as Scott champions - is important. Otherwise it's just a simulacrum.

I think it's good that we care. Should we just roll our eyes and give up? That seems to me to be too apathetic. I say we should hope for something a little more authentic, a little more true.

I guess another approach is to revel in the spectacle of it all, as Phuel proposes.

Certainly the irony wouldn't be lost on Johnny Rotten....

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^^^I don't think the spirit of punk will ever be lost Jane! There's definitely a time a place for such authenticity-- the MET, lead by the soulless Anna corporation and her minions, is not the place. As laika suggested, something special and inspiring would definitely come out of Oliver Saillard-- had he chosen such an obvious theme to develop. I don't think we should worry and sulk that the genuine spirit of punk has been co-opted here-- it already has, a long time ago, but it still survives. What Rei continues to do at CdG, will always be in the spirit of punk-- no matter how sophisticated, couture-ish, and thoughtful she may be. What's happening with the MET circus is no different to me than when Karl Lagerfeld does punk-- which is always on the shallow, gimmicky and throwaway side of fashion.

You know these nitwits will never get it, so let's just enjoy another tacky, celebrity-obsessed gala night. Those of us interested in the historical, curatorial aspect of the exhibit can geek out when the circus is over, and all the celebrity-pollution has gone away. Meanwhile, I want to see all the tween muppets in full force-- hell, let them perform... It's going to be a glorious mess. I hope the entire Kardashian family shows up; I'm sure they'll be in Versace safety-pin tacky heaven and think they're so haaaaaaarrrrrddddd. We should all go and hackle and gob them, and when charged by the authority, we'll just say we're honoring the spirit of punk!

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^^^I don't think the spirit of punk will ever be lost Jane! There's definitely a time a place for such authenticity-- the MET, lead by the soulless Anna corporation and her minions, is not the place. As laika suggested, something special and inspiring would definitely come out of Oliver Saillard-- had he chosen such an obvious theme to develop. I don't think we should worry and sulk that the genuine spirit of punk has been co-opted here-- it already has, a long time ago, but it still survives. What Rei continues to do at CdG, will always be in the spirit of punk-- no matter how sophisticated, couture-ish, and thoughtful she may be. What's happening with the MET circus is no different to me than when Karl Lagerfeld does punk-- which is always on the shallow, gimmicky and throwaway side of fashion.

You know these nitwits will never get it, so let's just enjoy another tacky, celebrity-obsessed gala night. Those of us interested in the historical, curatorial aspect of the exhibit can geek out when the circus is over, and all the celebrity-pollution has gone away. Meanwhile, I want to see all the tween muppets in full force-- hell, let them perform... It's going to be a glorious mess. I hope the entire Kardashian family shows up; I'm sure they'll be in Versace safety-pin tacky heaven and think they're so haaaaaaarrrrrddddd. We should all go and hackle and gob them, and when charged by the authority, we'll just say we're honoring the spirit of punk!
And in our mohair, docs and bin-liners, yes?

Long live the spirit!

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But the Theme is PUNK : Chaos to Couture. Do we really wanna see basic and literal punk costumes or on the contrary couture-esque interpretation of it. Like the amazing dress Zac Posen did for Christina Ricci for the Mcqueen exhibit. I don't wanna see straight-up punk. I wanna see punk through the eyes of the designers. An encouter between their own aesthectic and the fantastic punk codes.

I don't expect much from the generic celebs who just come for the sake of it and dress as if it was just another event. But I do hope designers who have decided to dress a celebrity will do it accordingly and really challenge the theme. I don't feel like it's impossible to revist PUNK in an un-gimmicky way. I'd also love to see some designers that aren't usually present on those red carpets like Ann Demeulemeester for example.

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^Exactly what I was going to say, I think everyone who expected this to be a dialog of the invention of punk is sorely mistaken, I think the title was taken too literal when there are examples of the early days of anti-establishment through to the modern day RTW and Couture interpretations of something that was once anti-fashion that is now very much mainstream which with the presence of Kanye and Beyonce set to perform is as mainstream as you're going to get.

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But the Theme is PUNK : Chaos to Couture. Do we really wanna see basic and literal punk costumes or on the contrary couture-esque interpretation of it. Like the amazing dress Zac Posen did for Christina Ricci for the Mcqueen exhibit. I don't wanna see straight-up punk. I wanna see punk through the eyes of the designers. An encouter between their own aesthectic and the fantastic punk codes.

I don't expect much from the generic celebs who just come for the sake of it and dress as if it was just another event. But I do hope designers who have decided to dress a celebrity will do it accordingly and really challenge the theme. I don't feel like it's impossible to revist PUNK in an un-gimmicky way. I'd also love to see some designers that aren't usually present on those red carpets like Ann Demeulemeester for example.
I guess I expect both aspects of that statement to be represented: first the chaos, so imo, that means things like Westwood and Mclaren had in their sex shop, and maybe yes, some more literal depictions. And then, you're right, there would be the drift, and the interpretations into ready-to-wear and couture. But something of the original source should be there imo, based on the title itself.

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^Exactly what I was going to say, I think everyone who expected this to be a dialog of the invention of punk is sorely mistaken, I think the title was taken too literal when there are examples of the early days of anti-establishment through to the modern day RTW and Couture interpretations of something that was once anti-fashion that is now very much mainstream which with the presence of Kanye and Beyonce set to perform is as mainstream as you're going to get.
Oddly, though, I don't even see "mainstream" elements of punk in either of these two.

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But the Theme is PUNK : Chaos to Couture. Do we really wanna see basic and literal punk costumes or on the contrary couture-esque interpretation of it. Like the amazing dress Zac Posen did for Christina Ricci for the Mcqueen exhibit. I don't wanna see straight-up punk. I wanna see punk through the eyes of the designers. An encouter between their own aesthectic and the fantastic punk codes.

I don't expect much from the generic celebs who just come for the sake of it and dress as if it was just another event. But I do hope designers who have decided to dress a celebrity will do it accordingly and really challenge the theme. I don't feel like it's impossible to revist PUNK in an un-gimmicky way. I'd also love to see some designers that aren't usually present on those red carpets like Ann Demeulemeester for example.
But that's just it: The event will just be another generic celebrity circle-jerk. It really could be so much more had they put in just some effort.

I don't think any of us moaning and groaning about this is doing so because it won't be genuine punk. It is a fashion event, after all. That's why I brought up Rei as a perfect example of the spirit of punk in fashion. Even the Sex Pistols were much more style over substance-- but what style they had, thanks in large to Malcom McClaren and Viv: I loved their interpretation of punk for Adam Ant and Bow Wow Wow as well. That's how you sell high fashion style to punk. I'm just grossed out by the headliners; Beyonce and Kanye. I actually like Kanye's music, but wtf does he have to contribute to punk? He's the biggest fashion victim on the planet; just because he can afford insanely expensive designer duds and is friends with some of the industry's shakers and movers, does not make him even remotely stylish. And I think Beyonce is a great performer, but she's as vapid and pointless as they come when it comes to having a point of view. So why them? I mean, other than they'll attract the widest audience. It's the direction and utter lack of substance to the event that's so frustrating to see unfold.

Alright Jane, we'll be gobbing then!

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and i can't believe i didn't think of it myself...
but---of course!
adam ant is back on tour...

he MUST be the surprise performer...

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RAWR!!!...

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