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How Abercrombie and Fitch is completely different to some "high fashion" labels I do not know.
Same thing, different pricetag.

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i used to wear a&f last year, but now i would never wear it. i've become my own person, and i have my own style. If you look around my school, all you'll see is a&f...the same clothes over and over again. Its just a bunch of insecure teens who want to "fit in". Because i have my own style, and wear things that no one else has..i'm considered "weird". The sad thing is, they think they have style. To me, that is the opposite of style. I just can't stand seeing the same nasty clothes on everyone

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Originally posted by sohoxchic@Dec 9 2004, 05:37 PM
i used to wear a&f last year, but now i would never wear it. i've become my own person, and i have my own style. If you look around my school, all you'll see is a&f...the same clothes over and over again. Its just a bunch of insecure teens who want to "fit in". Because i have my own style, and wear things that no one else has..i'm considered "weird". The sad thing is, they think they have style. To me, that is the opposite of style. I just can't stand seeing the same nasty clothes on everyone
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Well said, sohoxchic...today I walked into my econ discussion wearing slim cut jeans and some A&F frat types were lookin at me funny. It's kinda weird because at my age, people who fall into the trends are considered stylish and people who dress different from the norm such as myself are outsiders or "different". I like to think of myself as a rogue maverick

BTW, is that Adriana Lima in your avatar or is that you? I'd like to think that's you,


I have a habit of asking people if they're the person in their avatar because when I'm reading their posts I picture that face in the avatar typing and talking. I've been wondering that about Lena too.

But back on track...

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Originally posted by Fade to Black@Dec 9 2004, 06:19 PM
Well said, sohoxchic...today I walked into my econ discussion wearing slim cut jeans and some A&F frat types were lookin at me funny. It's kinda weird because at my age, people who fall into the trends are considered stylish and people who dress different from the norm such as myself are outsiders or "different". I like to think of myself as a rogue maverick

BTW, is that Adriana Lima in your avatar or is that you? I'd like to think that's you,


I have a habit of asking people if they're the person in their avatar because when I'm reading their posts I picture that face in the avatar typing and talking. I've been wondering that about Lena too.

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yes thats her i'd like to think thats me too lol
were the ones who have style, not them! anyone can walk into abercrombie and buy whats off the rack.

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Seraphelle I donít know if youíre responding to my post or someone elseís, but Iíll reply. First off I donít think their (the A&F teens) dress is a point of apathy. What we are talking about is their lack of interest in discovering their personal style which is not a quick and easy task. Theyíre not exerting the effort that some on this site do. The truth is that they are utilizing their energy to develop other skills, to fulfill different potential than this. If we were to make a list of all the different skills one could develop I feel that personal style is not too high at the top. Having personal style actually doesnít make you a ďbetterĒ person, maybe just more interesting to look at. Now donít misunderstand me I am not downing fashion and style either, just trying to put things in some type of perspective. Also as a reminder just because you have style doesnít make you a better person then them. While youíre out looking for those perfect shoes one of these A&F kids could be spending her time volunteering, or getting an abortion. Who knows? I just find it small minded to think youíre better than them just because you look different. Just as it is small minded for someone to think youíre a dork for not wearing the same mall clothes as them. It is the same game, the same argument just turned on its head. I know people who are the least interested in clothes but are amazing in other areas enough to make my jaw drop. I see it better that they put their time and energy into what they like and just ask me for my fashion input when itís needed. I am into military dress, both contemporary and historic, which is the apex of the conformist uniform, but still can be worn with a LOT of style. A personís true individuality comes through them not their clothes.

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Originally posted by Sarcastitch@Dec 9 2004, 10:38 PM
What we are talking about is their lack of interest in discovering their personal style which is not a quick and easy task. They’re not exerting the effort that some on this site do. The truth is that they are utilizing their energy to develop other skills, to fulfill different potential than this.
Actually, I know that in my case, my experimentation with A&F was a real attempt to discover my sense of style. I did want to practise fitting in, but I also wasn't sure of my identity (are we ever completely?) and trying out that label was one of the images that I created for myself. It certainly does not mean that all of these A&F kids are off being interested in something else because they're wearing a particular brand. It only means that to them, this is a form of fashion.

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A&F kids could be spending her time volunteering, or getting an abortion.
Hopefully not!

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I am into military dress, both contemporary and historic, which is the apex of the conformist uniform, but still can be worn with a LOT of style. A person’s true individuality comes through them not their clothes.
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The uniform is still a form of fashion and style, only a mass perscribed one.

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It certainly does not mean that all of these A&F kids are off being interested in something else because they're wearing a particular brand. It only means that to them, this is a form of fashion.
Purple I didnít mean it the way it seems that you interpreted it. Everyone has their own interests so yes these kids will be off into something else, but it has nothing to do with the brand or fashion. To these kids this label has nothing to do with fashion since most of them are not interested in fashion. They just canít get their head around it to see how they fit into the overall picture. Just as an idiot who has bizarre beliefs would not see what he thinks as being philosophical or psychological in nature even though a more enlighten person will know that it is.

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Originally posted by Sarcastitch@Dec 9 2004, 11:21 PM
Purple I didn’t mean it the way it seems that you interpreted it. Everyone has their own interests so yes these kids will be off into something else, but it has nothing to do with the brand or fashion. To these kids this label has nothing to do with fashion since most of them are not interested in fashion. They just can’t get their head around it to see how they fit into the overall picture. Just as an idiot who has bizarre beliefs would not see what he thinks as being philosophical or psychological in nature even though a more enlighten person will know that it is.
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I think that I probably understand what you mean now, and I do agree.

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Thier so many opinions in this thread already, so it probably doesn't need mine.. but

To 2nd what somebody else said, I don't consider abercrombie to a fashion store, its just a 'trendy' label, they never do anything new or original.

There are lots of teens on this board that have developed thier own personality style and not been drawn into conforming for acceptance.

Sadly, what sarastitch said is mostly true for many teens.
which is probably why I don't get along with my peers.

I look down on thier values, aesthetic, everything,
How can people that are almost adults act so childish, its like some of them don't even think and just go with the crowd.

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Originally posted by Sarcastitch@Dec 9 2004, 11:38 PM
The truth is that they are utilizing their energy to develop other skills, to fulfill different potential than this.
I see what you're saying but that isn't what I meant at all. I'm trying to get away from the big fat homogenous clump of people, not make it bigger! I don't want to force a bunch of people to like fashion. My comments apply to interests in general; I wish that the people who have an interest in something would not be afraid to step outside its bounds. I was attacking the general A&F customer who buys it to be cool. I don't like that people have apathy/prejudice about being different.

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If we were to make a list of all the different skills one could develop I feel that personal style is not too high at the top. Having personal style actually doesnít make you a ďbetterĒ person, maybe just more interesting to look at.
Why is it up to you to define what's worth it or not? Fashion is no more or less worthy of respect than any other field, from politics to painting.

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Originally posted by raijin@Dec 9 2004, 11:47 PM
I look down on thier values, aesthetic, everything,
How can people that are almost adults act so childish, its like some of them don't even think and just go with the crowd.
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I don't know whether you should be looking on them though. Just because someone's aethetic is different, it isn't necessarily negative. Also, as it's been said, maybe they're just more interested in other aspects. Sometimes wearing the right top can make you accepted enough that people are willing to give you a chance in other facets of life. It's like a job interview, having to present the right image, to get the place that you're wanting. It's only the very brave, or maybe just stubborn, who'll have the courage to wear what they like and go through all that.

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As a European I see AF also representing the American Dream in a very republican way, the male ideal of a frat boy / football player. Yes, they do play with homo-eroticism, but the guys wearing it are mostly the type I don't like to be around with, narrow-minded with the highlight of the day how many beers they had. This IS a total stigma , but sometimes that's good for discussion . Their clothes are largely accepted, they are some kind of new conservative although they are casual.

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Originally posted by Sarcastitch@Dec 9 2004, 10:38 PM
Seraphelle I donít know if youíre responding to my post or someone elseís, but Iíll reply. First off I donít think their (the A&F teens) dress is a point of apathy. What we are talking about is their lack of interest in discovering their personal style which is not a quick and easy task. Theyíre not exerting the effort that some on this site do. The truth is that they are utilizing their energy to develop other skills, to fulfill different potential than this. If we were to make a list of all the different skills one could develop I feel that personal style is not too high at the top. Having personal style actually doesnít make you a ďbetterĒ person, maybe just more interesting to look at. Now donít misunderstand me I am not downing fashion and style either, just trying to put things in some type of perspective. Also as a reminder just because you have style doesnít make you a better person then them. While youíre out looking for those perfect shoes one of these A&F kids could be spending her time volunteering, or getting an abortion. Who knows? I just find it small minded to think youíre better than them just because you look different. Just as it is small minded for someone to think youíre a dork for not wearing the same mall clothes as them. It is the same game, the same argument just turned on its head. I know people who are the least interested in clothes but are amazing in other areas enough to make my jaw drop. I see it better that they put their time and energy into what they like and just ask me for my fashion input when itís needed. I am into military dress, both contemporary and historic, which is the apex of the conformist uniform, but still can be worn with a LOT of style. A personís true individuality comes through them not their clothes.
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the people you speak of here would also not be wearing abercrombie and fitch...so it would seem to be another topic altogether ...whether or not personal style is important in the grand scheme of things is another discussion...


you might want to start another thread ...it could be a good topic to discuss...

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Seraphelle I apologize if I misconstrued what you said. I agree that a lot of people seem to be sleepwalking through most of their lives and society seems not to want them to wake up since its industries are built on selling them the newest better dream than the one they bought yesterday. But I do have the right to define that which I want just like all of you have the right to judge others as being sheep. Now you should notice I said Ďpersonal styleí and not fashion in that quote. It isnít that much of an artistic struggle to purchase a bunch of clothes that looks good on you. Itís far different from actually creating the clothes which does parallel painting or the others. Selecting an aesthetic an artist it doesnít make. So to me it still stands that personal style isnít that high up on the list just as interior decorating isnít a peer to architecture. I am an artist but I can freely admit that there are skills that even top the arts. An example would be the ability to be a good parent which trumps the majority of most other skills one could develop. Though I still love the arts and creativity so party on. . .

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A&F is a store for people who have no thoughts of their own. They think and dress in the mainstream to fit in. These customers are tweens to very early 20's. Most of the people that shop there are playing it safe, trying so hard to not stray from what's accepted.
-Well said. It's so funny a few years ago, I was obsessed with A&F (I wanted to be like the freakin people in the catalog (before it when X rated, thank you) and now, I can barely walk by the store, it grosses me out. I still have a woolly sweater, cost me $70, and is freakin itchy.

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