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Thank god the body snatchers haven't gotten to you, too.
You don't need to refer to "body snatchers" simply because some of us disagree with your views. We can post our opinions and back them up with the points that we see and understand to support our views, in a civil way.


Care to back up why you would agree with the poster that this collection is "J Crew"? Is it the materials? The designs? I am genuinely interested to know. Like another poster asked, I'd like to know which J Crew I can go to to get my hands on these, no, not to wear, as this is not my style, but to collect, as these are exquisite.


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Reading Tim Blanks' review, again it strikes me how the "poker faces" were misread - as if only huge smiles, nods, applause, etc. would count as approbation. Most of the audience looked pensive and solemn, perhaps it was because they were quietly in awe, taking in the beauty of it all.

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So that huge yawns seen in the video were misreads too?

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Reading Tim Blanks' review, again it strikes me how the "poker faces" were misread - as if only huge smiles, nods, applause, etc. would count as approbation. Most of the audience looked pensive and solemn, perhaps it was because they were quietly in awe, taking in the beauty of it all.

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So that huge yawns seen in the video were misreads too?

You mean, it can't be explained away by tiredness, jet-lag, etc.? You have never yawned due to other reasons than boredom?

In the end, I'd rather take their reviews and words than a third party interpretation of their body language.

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You don't need to refer to "body snatchers" simply because some of us disagree with your views. We can post our opinions and back them up with the points that we see and understand to support our views, in a civil way.


Care to back up why you would agree with the poster that this collection is "J Crew"? Is it the materials? The designs? I am genuinely interested to know. Like another poster asked, I'd like to know which J Crew I can go to to get my hands on these, no, not to wear, as this is not my style, but to collect, as these are exquisite.
Mutterlein has a right to her opinion and I have seen her posts over several years, she is quite informed and agree with her 100%. Yeah I said it looks like a capsule 50s inspired collection for Jcrew , Ann Taylor. I don't know what Fashion Mount Olympus you stepped down from , but everyone has an opinion , to each their own.

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for me, this is great but looks closer to a pret-ŗ-porter collection than haute couture...

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Mutterlein has a right to her opinion and I have seen her posts over several years, she is quite informed and agree with her 100%. Yeah I said it looks like a capsule 50s inspired collection for Jcrew , Ann Taylor. I don't know what Fashion Mount Olympus you stepped down from , but everyone has an opinion , to each their own.
I asked politely for what what she sees in this collection that is "J Crew", she can politely decline to provide her reasons. I always ask politely for what others feel are the reasons for their opinions, then I might or might not engage in further dialogue. If I feel it is worth answering someone's post, I will, if not, I won't. The purpose of a forum is to engage in discussions, whether or not one agrees or disagrees. I only speak about the collections, or definition of "haute couture", which are topics, I never attack the person. There is no need to get personal "body snatchers", "Mount Olympus" etc., seriously.

Sure you can still think these are J crew pieces despite all the reviews and the posts by others who explain why these fall under the definition of "haute couture", no one is going to change anyone's mind, however, as a topic on fashion knowledge, engagement benefits me and others who are interested to know more, not simply an opinion of someone. Others who disagree that this is RTW or feel that it is unfair to characterize this collection this way, or see other qualities in the collection should not be discouraged to speak up either.


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I am sure the people that have shown a liking for this collection don't appreciate being called "bodysnatchers".

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Wow chill everyone. Seems like there's a huge argument going on here.

Anyway what I feel about this collection is that, yes, Raf Simons brought his aesthetic to the house of Dior, and yes, he was respectful of the house's heritage, and yes, he did modernized some of the looks.

But there's something lacking in these collection, and imho, there's a lack in personality in this collection, they are beautiful clothes, albeit without a soul.

Now it's really back to the question of: Who is a Dior woman?

This is made even worst given the roulette of designers for the house in the past couple of years, from the flamboyance of Galliano, to the classic minimalism of Gaytten, and now the modernized minimalism of Simons. It's confusing the consumers.

And this notion is made worst by Gaytten's pretty commendable effort in his last couture show, which I think had successfully help to transit the house from its Galliano days to the new Dior. And to tell the truth, I see a Dior woman starting to form under Gaytten's direction, a lady, rich and appreciate classic stuff, though she's a bit old fashion, but she has the taste, and is a bit of fun.

To tell the truth, I would have hoped that Dior actually made Gaytten stayed for a longer duration at the house. What I like about Gaytten's work is that he truly helped to mould a Dior woman out of his collection, a new Dior woman.

But that said, I am not going to shoot down Simons' first collection for Dior, like how we shot down Gaytten's first couture. Time needs to be given to Simons for him to form his own aesthetic for the Dior woman, but given his first couture collection, I think that he needs to work more on forming the soul. After all, a collection can't really all be about being respectful to the house, it needs to be respectful to the woman who is wearing it.

About the kind reviews, they were kind of expected, especially Tim Blanks'. It's Conde Nast and LVMH, who would want to spoil the relationship?

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This collection is a proof one shouldn't judge anything by the LQ livestream screencaps.

Even though I myself wasn't very fond of it looking at the first posts, I'm completely stunned after taking a look at the HQs. The amount of work that must've been put into these clothes is beyond impressive for me, the details, construction, embellishments... I cannot get enough of these.

It gains so much more at the closer look and definitely keeps me excited for his next collections now.

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It's nice but quite boring I'm not impressed.

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Highly glad he's here to infuse his specific kind of disturbance into the conservative world of haute couture.
It's a promising beginning, here he has a great deal of possibilities and creative opulence to work with as opposed to a bit of restrained imaginings at JS, hence I'm really looking forward to all the upcoming.

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3 words come to my mind

-boring
-safe
-boring, again


The archives of Christian Dior are so amazing, the construction of his clothes is so architectural and unique, and was avant-garde at the time.

What is avant-garde about this collection ? What is haute-couture about it ? NOTHING

Raf "LAZY" Simons gets the credit for his name, not for the quality of his work. I have attended fashion shows, and when you see wonderful pieces, your eyes shine. Like mine when I was 10 cm away from the A/W 2011 Givenchy Haute-Couture collection.

So many weak sihlouettes, come on, tailored pants with embroided tops ? It screams sales, sales, sales. Gaytton was way more better at this game. And I am kinda missing the crazyness of Galliano that would make you travel in a special universe and mesmerize you, even it was about excess and provocation. Monsieur Simons is "out at the picture" for me. As a client of his menswear line, I just miss the energy he got in the 90's with his very personnal take on garments, models, presentations.

AND I AM SO TIRED of finding excuses to those lazy designers, they have the money, the atelier and the press to approve their work even when it's irrelevant , this collection is just another proof of it...

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I was thinking after read the reviews how much the main fashion journalist were paid for make these strange good reviews.
Or maybe they honestly liked the collection.

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