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And Jean-Paul Gaultier's never produced anything ridiculous...

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And Jean-Paul Gaultier's never produced anything ridiculous...
what does Gaultier has to do with Francesca Versace , with antlers or with avant garde ? are we getting out of topic again Prince ?

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Gaultier= Avant Garde

Off-topic me? Never...

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gaultier = avant garde?
great sense of humour Prince

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I had a big article on how Gaultier is avant-garde from Vogue ready to paste (I was thinking you'd say that) but then I went and copied another link and I can't find it again...and you know what? I can't be bothered....

I'll give you the cut and thrust of it though:

Avant Garde-ism is about breaking down boundaries, as famous Avant-Garde Jazzman Charlie Parker said. All of Gaultier's designs attempt to break down boundaries by doing things that are generally seen as 'not do-able' by conventional society i.e. his skirts for men.

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regardless what Vogue prints, and if you are bothered or not, Gaultier is certainly NOT avant garde and has absolutely nothing to do with miss Francesca Versace's discussion

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I'd say that Gaultier most certainly IS avant-garde and that dresses for men are as unconventional today as they were when he made them...the relevance was that Avant-Garde often appears ridiculous and that this [whatshernameagain] may be using a complex kind of post-modern irony (what a horrible expression) which her fellow designers haven't understood...

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regardless what Vogue prints, and if you are bothered or not, Gaultier is certainly NOT avant garde and has absolutely nothing to do with miss Francesca Versace's discussion
Right! The topic is kids with famous names suck!

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It is? Ooooohhh...*gets out giant book of vendettas against people with famous names*

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First of all Gaultier has no realtion to this topic.. but if you insist..

Men in skirts? I found that kinda avant-garde from Gaultier.. he avoided the cliches of menswear by doing that and it is wearable. To quote someone "Putting a man in a skirt is not travesty. Putting him in a bra is."

Poor girl, all alone in St. Martins. Though that student makes an excellent point it really is not nice to say mean things about other people. On the other hand a lot of students work their asses off just to enter the school then here comes a girl with not much talent then gets in...

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stMartins has a tradition in being uber snobbish and exclusive, so this kind of reactions are not surprising.

if i was miss Versace, i'd choose a more 'business' orientated school like fit or parsons, i guarandie, she would get everybody's attention and all the fashion business education she needs. StMartins is not the best for her, in more aspects than one

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Originally posted by Lena@Dec 10th, 2003 - 7:38 pm
stMartins is certainly not a Versace friendly 'establishment',
i bet 'artistic design' students avoid her at corridors and such..
she must have a real hard time there, still should know better than enrolling there, it's not the right place for anything remotely Versace
St martins is not a friendly establishment full stop from what i've heard

really shocking stories of student sabotage

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Originally posted by Lena@Dec 11th, 2003 - 5:18 am
stMartins has a tradition in being uber snobbish and exclusive, so this kind of reactions are not surprising.

if i was miss Versace, i'd choose a more 'business' orientated school like fit or parsons, i guarandie, she would get everybody's attention and all the fashion business education she needs. StMartins is not the best for her, in more aspects than one
I was going to mention that myself as I have also heard the rumours of the snobbish 'tudes. It is quite the double standard in that sense. But you're totally right,she should be somewhere like Parsons or FIT where they have a more commericial foundation and appreciate the sometimes less serious fashion.

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Originally posted by Lena@Dec 10th, 2003 - 2:38 pm
stMartins is certainly not a Versace friendly 'establishment',
i bet 'artistic design' students avoid her at corridors and such..
she must have a real hard time there, still should know better than enrolling there, it's not the right place for anything remotely Versace
how come? i didn't know that.

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Originally posted by Scott+Dec 11th, 2003 - 11:02 am--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scott @ Dec 11th, 2003 - 11:02 am)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lena@Dec 11th, 2003 - 5:18 am
stMartins has a tradition in being uber snobbish and exclusive, so this kind of reactions are not surprising.

if i was miss Versace, i'd choose a more 'business' orientated school like fit or parsons, i guarandie, she would get everybody's attention and all the fashion business education she needs. StMartins is not the best for her, in more aspects than one*
I was going to mention that myself as I have also heard the rumours of the snobbish 'tudes. It is quite the double standard in that sense. But you're totally right,she should be somewhere like Parsons or FIT where they have a more commericial foundation and appreciate the sometimes less serious fashion. [/b][/quote]
FIT seems a nice option!
Marangoni would be OK!

But forget about la Versace! Gimme her seat in St Martin's!


PS Sean ... Whoa! I didn't know about such thing's goin' on at St Martin's!!!
sabotage??? Damn!

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