My sister ordered some pieces online for me, but it will be some time before they arrive. She ordered:
*Nude pumps with plexi wedge heel (now am worried they aren't comfortable, after reading this thread)
*The black ankle boots with plexi wedge (as above)
*Watch belt - (did anyone see this? any thoughts on it)?
*Beige leather tote (as above - any thoughts on it)?
Still on my wishlist:
*Narrow shouldered jacket (top of my list)
*Oversized cashmere turtleneck sweaters (trying to figure out how the sleeves work, they look 'pinned' at times, and at times it looks like it'd hang past the wrist)?
Would to hear any thoughts on any of the items above
@Brigadeiro, I got the narrow shouldered jacket and I love it, the quality is decent and the fit is fantastic, I've worn it several times already and got a ton of compliments. Just beware it runs small.
I've been deliberately apprehensive to adding more personal posts to this thread.
I stayed away for a while from here....just to see what the overall viewpoints would be from others, through time.
One of my first posts to this thread was on page 3 or 4...not sure, but I'm certain they're there.
Going through and reading 31 pages of individual posts and comments has been an exhaustive process...but considerably entertaining....and informative.
I joined TFS in the year 2004....but I've been collecting MMM pieces since the year 1990. Trust me....I'm nor MMM rookie, or newbie. My profile name is quite obvious and keen to this particular post.
I've had the opportunity to view the look-book from the H&M collaboration...with MMM.
To be honest with myself...and to others on this post...i must admit that the collection is not as bad as I had anticipated.
I already knew that the quality of fabrics and the company of manufacture would not....and could not....be compared with "authentic" MMM pieces. This collaboration is more-or-less fashion for the masses, but regardless.
No pretentiousness. here. I wear authentic MMM pieces....and I also LOVE thrift stores and Salvation Army/Goodwill stores. If I like something I see...regardless of where it's from or where it's made...I will buy it. As they say now-a-days..."it's ALL good."
In some regards...I do find the hype about all the celebrity publicity to bee considerably funny....and.....contradictory to MM esthetic.
I find it hysterical that so many people truly care....or are influenced... about what Kanye is wearing...or Sarah Jessica Parker, amongst others. I personally don't know Kanye or any other celebrity in the H&M/Margiela launch.....and I don't need a celebrity to inspire fashion sensibility. i truly don't care WHAT...or WHO...they wear. I think it might have been truer to the Margiela spirit if the celebrities showed up for the launch with their faces.....covered. It would have made a more poignant statement....and also....a keener perspective....about the commercial world we all live in.
Margiela never cared to advertise his face to the public. He was obscure....elusive....and in truth to his spirit...he was proud to be...."An Absolute, Nobody."
I personally own MANY old-school MMM pieces....and I do actually like "some" of the collaborative pieces from MMM/H&M.
Seeing the H&M pieces does bring back plenty of nostalgia for me.
I realize how lucky I was to be onto Margiela many, many years ago. Others were and are not...as fortunate as me, today.
I knew the Duvet-Coat wouldn't be as up-to-par with the MMM Duvet coat I own, personally. When I purchased the duvet coat.....other coverings could be bought separately....to put ONTO the coat. I purchased a heavy plastic duvet cover that could be worn to maket the duvet waterproof....and another duvet cover with an over-dyed floral pattern. Marketing the MMM version of the duvet coat....in the same way for H&M...would have been too ambitious.
I do like how they took some pieces from the artisinal collection from MMM...and used them as an inspiration for the H&M collection.
The "sock-sweater" was a miserable failed attempt on H&M's behalf....BUT....the men's "leather-belt-vest" is quite good, actually....i/m/o.
The over-sized pieces are considerably good, too. At the time when Margiela first presented the "over-sized"....it looked so strange...but in a fun way. Seeing the direction where fashion is at right now.....it truly goes to show how very far ahead of fashion Margiela was, for his time. He made that collection at a time in fashion where everything then... was considerably fitted and tight. In true Margiela spirit...he inspired the polar opposite....of tight and fitted.
In some respects, the collaboration does anger me quite a bit.....but I think using the word "angry" is a bit over-reactive. I think a better word to use would be...I'm dis-illusioned....and dis-enchanted.
Many old-school followers of Margiela....including myself.....would have loved to see Margiela remain independent from a corporate company such as Diesel. It would have been great to see Margielas company prosper...without becoming incredibly commercial.
But, as I look about the world....and the state of it's affairs (back in 2004 and now)....it almost seems like it would have been impossible to remain independant from commercialism.
Fashion.....and it's designers....are NOT the only industry that is feeling the financial economic downfall. Small business are closing shop.....car industries are going bankrupt....oil prices keep escalating, etc etc.
Companies such as H&M...Target....Walmart, etc....all have the financial means to support many other companies who are unavoidably....on the decline. The aforementioned companies are considered to be..."middle-market." They are not high-end retailers such as Neiman Marcus, Bergdorf Goodman, or Saks Fifth Avenue.....but.....they are also not low-market stores such as The Salvation Army or The Goodwill. Basically...they are all companies where the majority of the population.....middle-America....can buy a slice of a dream. These are companies that tend to earn massive earnings, financially. They are also companies that are globally popular. They offer smaller companies a great podium... where ANY failing fashion designer can earn profits to survive. It also helps them to be able to continue forward with their own independent label.
It's a catch-22.
ANY company that is failing today.....would almost kill to stay alive....and the means in which they will go about doing so....is almost limitless. If it means selling out...or destroying the integrity of a brand...they will do so, by all possible means.
It's a matter or survival...and turning profits.....like it, or not.
As many others on this post have quoted..."if you don't like it...or approve of it....don't buy it"....and I respectfully agree with them.
There ARE pieces from the collaboration with H&M that I do like. A few of them I do intend to scout for and purchase, personally. I intend to wear the H&M pieces....WITH...original MMM pieces that I have bought in the past, too.
I am merely one drop of water....in an ocean.
To say that I REFUSE to buy anything for this collaboration.....based upon a brands integrity or esthetic....is truly pretentious.
Simply by refusal to purchase these pieces...do I assume myself so egotistical...or so important...to even think I can personally stop the future's state of affairs?? Nope. I don't. Do I think I'm being a traitor to a designer who I once loved...simply by buying pieces from a company that doesn't share the same esthetic as Margiela once did?? Again, no....I don't.
knowing the fan and client you are margielamike,do you believe had margiela,supposing he survived to this point,would have ever himself gone this route?
truth be told though to your comment about MM loving garbage....that i know indeed and i absolutely love that approach on many levels,but i think the issue at hand is the history and reputation of H&M's practice with loving their own garbage,so to speak. remember that news story a couple years ago they burning clothes? not to mention,not knowing how this collection was manufactured. it looks aesthetically very similar but what was the actual process? was it made anew or did MMM and H&M take a similar approach as the original work. doubtful it's the latter. to me that would be ultimate contradiction here.
^ margielamike: I don't chime in very much these days, but after reading your recent posts I felt a strong need to say "thanks" - for providing us with your well-articulated and well-balanced opinions regarding the MMM x HM collaboration.
__________________ Fashion is ephmeral, dangerous, and unfair
- Karl Lagerfeld
An honest answer from me about Margiela and this H&M collaboration would be...NO.
I honestly don't believe that Martin, himself......would have dragged his maison...into this route. It truly does seem contradictory to his esthetic about fashion....and quite the oxymoron as to how he presumably would want to see his company grow....or prosper.
I once worked for a high-end designer boutique in Boston. Our shop was one of the first...and almost the only....boutique where the Margiela collection could be found.
My boss at the shop was originally from Italy...but he moved to the states in his youth...and also b/c his wife owned the boutique prior to meeting him.
My boss know Renzo Rosso, personally. Many times during the mid to late 90's...Renzo and his 2 sons would stop into our shop to chat with my boss when they were in the USA.
Nobody...not even my boss...could predict or fathom that Renzo would ever consider any interest towards Margiela.
Diesel was a JEAN company at the time (his jean company was also suffering at that time)...and Margiela was a designer who was more-or-less... part of the upper echelons of "fashion."
Personally, I also met Patrick Scallon many times....and he was traveling with a lesser known designer from Belgium named Marina Yhee.
I can "relate" with MM is several ways.
Like Martin....i was...and still am....a fledgling "designer." I studied fashion at FIT in NYC.
As a popular saying goes..."Martin Margiela is usually a fashion designer's, designer."
Being a fashion student at one time...I was taught how to understand construction....the workmanship put into an individual piece...and an entire collection.
I also learned to understand what it takes in order to survive in this world, too....if I wanted to be a "fashion designer.".....and not merely..."just a seamstress."
Survival is MONEY..weather I like it....or not.
I might "WANT" to stay true to my esthetic and my integrity (like Margiela)...but when push-comes-to-shove...when bills need to be paid.....when your audience is growing larger and larger, but you don't have the finances to support a bigger fan base...what can you do??
In some respects..I do understand that there must have been plenty of betrayal on Renzo Rosso's behalf....towards Margiela. knowing the nature of the man as well as I once did...I think Margiela relinquished part of his company...into the hands of a company he "assumed" would nurture and respect the brand and it's integrity. Only by looking back now.....Margiela sees what has happened. Margiela "thought" he was making a wise investment...but clearly and unfortunately...he was considerably....WRONG.
Margiela wanted (and needed)....to make money for his company.
As did, Renzo Rosso for Diesel.
In regards to Rosso...I think his motivation is based more upon greed.
In regards to Margiela...his motivation was probably based more upon making money...JUST to survive.
Many designers steer their company towards a corporate strategy....by marketing themselves....by putting their clothes on vapid celebrities....by advertising....by releasing publicity and conducting interviews....by releasing a frangrance, etc etc.
And as such....this H&M/MMM collaboration is another testament to my prior statement.
Good from them.
As far as Margiela.....his esthetic....his company....his integrity??
I had to come-to-grips with the situation a loooooooong time ago.
I knew back in 2004........ what the eventual outlook would be in Margiela's future.
I never liked it...but to be honest....I am also entirely powerless to it.
Other designers who preceded Margiela....and other designers who have followed the same procedure with their brand....have suffered the consequences.
Raf Simons...Jil Sander....Helmut Lang....Hedi Slimane....Alexander McQueen....all these designers have been swallowed up and financially supported by corporate "fashion" companies...such as Prada...Gucci...and Vuitton.
People who are not so consumed with fashion are unaware of what eventually happens when these "fashion" companies decide to take the helm..and it's sad.
These companies do support these designers...but they also COMMAND that they produce massive profits. If the designer doesn't live up to the corporate companies expectations...they are "asked" (more like, forced)...to step away from their own company....so another potential "fashion wunderkind" can take their place. As stated...it's all about money....creativity becomes secondary. Margiela suffered the consequences with Diesel....but.....now that Diesel owns Margiela.....and Margiela has stepped away.....
I can almost imagine the HUGE..... S*IT-eating grin on Martin's face....and my own face, too....watching Renzo stoop to levels so low....begging for financial support and publicity through H&M.
As the saying goes, SCOTT...what goes around...comes around...and Renzo is obviously suffering.......as once Martin was, too.
That is the true spirit...of the original concept...behind MMM.
If it doesn't fit....MAKE IT...fit
Do every means you can....and feel necessary....to fit your body the way you want it to.
If it's to baggy...cinch it with a belt... or with plastic tape ( he literally did this in a prior collection of his).....if the sleeves are too long....scrunch them upwards....if the length is to long....hack-off the length with your scissors.....if the shoulders are too tight....cut the under-arms apart....if the waistline is too big....fold the trousers upon themselves, etc etc.
Sometimes...the beauty of wearing a garment is knowing that it's not "supposed" to fit.
Whenever I wear my MM "intentionally over-sized pieces"...ppl tell me what I wearing is "too big" for me.
I love telling them...."I know it doesn't fit...it's not supposed to fit....and that's the way I love to wear it. I wear my clothes they way I want to wear them...not the way I'm TOLD to wear them, by society."
Trust me...whenever I give that reply back to some people....I receive plenty of blank stares and lots of blinking eyelashes...LOL...I love it....LOL!!