Martin Margiela's t-shirt too similar for artist David Penfound's taste

[vetements]

i guess this is somewhat a shame that this year being margiela's 20th anniversary.
although it does nothing really substantial for me, i still think he is one of the greatest designer.
and i ll want to believe it(the stealing) wasnt done on purpose, on the contrary, perhaps just one of his irony as always.

[Scott]

^neither me as well. because for the most part the originality of his work in ALL these years really outweigh one silly mistake.

[masquerade]

Originally Posted by LostInNJ

I never it said it lacked aesthetic value, that wasn't my point. I can see the points made in here and can understand everyone's point, I just hope that the next time I express a different opinion people don't put words in my mouth and at least try and understand the point I am making, whether or not it is correct.

I am sorry if I misunderstood you, I am just confused because with the exception of the Native American, the print is exactly the same.

[educo]

Originally Posted by Casius

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Honestly, who would ever think that print is actually copy written?!

Usually all prints (which is considered artwork) are copy written. I went to an artists legal seminar and the lawyer said that as soon as you put pen to paper and draw, and date it, it's copy written. When you file it with the gov't, it gives you federal protection.

So yes, David's drawing is copy written (otherwise, how would he be able to sell his work through Mountain T-shirt Company without getting ripped off) and that's how he makes money.

ALSO, there is a clause with copy written material. ANY DERIVATIVE of the original artwork IS covered under the original artist. Since it is obvious that this is a DERIVATIVE piece, Margiela is guilty of copyright infringement.

[ANTONIOATAIDE]

well I think this is not very hard to happen. it was a known painting from that british guy, so Margiela could easily come through it and print it on the t-shirt. plus, as it was said before, i believe that margiela buyers go on a deeper analysis than just looking at the picture. I guess the cut is much more important

[ANTONIOATAIDE]

however, I surely can't stop condemning Margiela for not contacting the painting's creator and get the rights

[softgrey]

topshop has done their own version of the margiela t-shirt...
a knock off of the rip off...as it were...

http://www.topshop.com/webapp/wcs/st...3006&langId=-1

[Casius]

Originally Posted by softgrey

topshop has done their own version of the margiela t-shirt...
a knock off of the rip off...as it were...

http://www.topshop.com/webapp/wcs/st...3006&langId=-1

LOL. Napoleon Dynamite was way ahead on this trend.....Moon boots are next.

[cocohokkaido]

This is crazy. Margiela doesn't do a great deal of prints so I'm shocked that he and his team didn't put more thought into the result when they do use a print. I saw it at Barneys and it is a very beautiful piece in real life. It doesn't give off that awkward trashy graphic tees vibe at all because of the cut and draping, but seeing the comparisons it's undeniable that he did rip someone off!

I'm quite bummed out by this. He's the only designer I buy consistently from over the seasons. Other than this bummer he did do a great SS collection, though.

[Scott]

^i actually rather liked that piece when i saw it,myself. i thought the way the shape juxtaposed with the drama of the print,really gave the piece and interesting look.

but you know something,thinking about this,we sit and lambast him but this is a guy who in all of his 20+years has NEVER,EVER done anything like this and this one instance those who attempt to defend his integrity are somehow foolish. i don't accept that. as i said,this is one silly mistake in all these years and i can't find myself not defending him in that. and people bringing up marc jacobs and all of these brands,you have to remember these are people that do this on a consistent basis and they also copy fellow designers who don't generate the revenue they do....so i don't really understand that arguement. this is just one cheesy print that's supposedly mass-marketed on a gazillion novelty items,not just one original artwork that's hanging in a museum. i'm not defending the use nor his team for not researching and perhaps asking about the print but this lone mistake doesn't make him as evil as everybody else. but one has to believe for who he is,this was just a pure misunderstanding or misinterpretation of how it could be used.

[softgrey]

this lone mistake doesn't make him as evil as everybody else.

i think evil is pretty dramatic...
no fashion designers are evil...
hitler was evil...

these guys are just making and selling clothing...



it's not really that big a deal in the grand scheme of things..
but it is rather shocking and ridiculous....
it's a pretty bad faux pas...


you know?!.......

[Inaya]

I haven't replied yet... half because I am an admitted Margiela loyalist

and half because I am torn on the actual issue. When I first saw Margiela's garment - I actually assumed it probably WAS a rip off/parody of some midwest American gas station souvenir type t-shirt. I assumed that the purpose of this garment had always been to have such an intentionally symbolic/trashy/very recognizable print juxtaposed on a garment which is very modern and non-trashy in it's construction. The designs ARE incredibly similar though, so it's hard for me to have an opinion given my initial thoughts and now taking into account this controversial expose of sorts.

[Scott]

you're right softie,it is. and yes evil maybe a slight impassioned viewpoint

[mikka000]

Hmmm, when i first saw that MMM collection I was a tad surprised because those horse t-shirts are really banal and just plain ugly. reminds me of Madonna circa 'Music' when she was toying with trailer park chic.

the less said about this style of t-shirts, whoever the hell makes them, the better.

now, that MMM Sartorial line sounds like a real treat....

[kahlilg]

Originally Posted by Inaya

I haven't replied yet... half because I am an admitted Margiela loyalist

and half because I am torn on the actual issue. When I first saw Margiela's garment - I actually assumed it probably WAS a rip off/parody of some midwest American gas station souvenir type t-shirt. I assumed that the purpose of this garment had always been to have such an intentionally symbolic/trashy/very recognizable print juxtaposed on a garment which is very modern and non-trashy in it's construction. The designs ARE incredibly similar though, so it's hard for me to have an opinion given my initial thoughts and now taking into account this controversial expose of sorts.

that's what i assumed too.