[CrisGalaxy]

I don't get the point of naming it fall/winter 2011/2012

[Street_a_Licious]

not for everyone, only us really.

by mid-season, i already get NEXT YEAR'S collection in focus and sale shopping becomes 'looking for pieces that will feel good in a year too'. it's a fact that amuses and annoys me. i'm literally shopping for next year.

at least Burberry offers 'Buy off the runway', but even that is seriously ridiculous. pieces get delivered about 6-8 weeks after ordering (that'd be right after the shows), so what, i either wear F/W clothes for summer or see those coats, jackets and accessories hanging in front of me for over 4 months and by the time i get to wear them, i might be sick of their look already.

all that, of course, is for the 'that's-so-last-season' clientele.

and then you see those supermarket chains or mail order catalogs with their 'latest trends!!!' and you can't help but snicker.

/snob

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Originally Posted by CrisGalaxy I don't get the point of naming it fall/winter 2011/2012

why not? it's looks we'll be orientating ourselves on next winter... (or, more specifically, Feb+Mar 2011, then Nov2011-Jan2012)

[markese91]

^^ I think you have your scheduling wrong. It's supposed to be Fall 2011(November-December) Winter 2012(January-... whenever winter ends lol)

[Street_a_Licious]

you must be new here...

Fall is for Pre-Fall (even tho it says Pre), Winter is Fall-Winter (i mean, Fur and leather and downs for fall?)

now, in proper fashion calender term, Fall-Winter ends at about now, usually late November to early December.
right NOW, it's Cruise/Resort, insane given the current weather, but i guess well heeled and fashionable customers wear Cruise/Resort under their fur coats.

summer starts about in March and ends at around end of June-mid July.

from August till late October it's Pre-Fall time.

and that's not even talking about the fashion elite people who wear everything before the stuff hits the shelves.

[markese91]

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Originally Posted by Street_a_Licious you must be new here... Fall is for Pre-Fall (even tho it says Pre), Winter is Fall-Winter (i mean, Fur and leather and downs for fall?) now, in proper fashion calender term, Fall-Winter ends at about now, usually late November to early December. right NOW, it's Cruise/Resort, insane given the current weather, but i guess well heeled and fashionable customers wear Cruise/Resort under their fur coats. summer starts about in March and ends at around end of June-mid July. from August till late October it's Pre-Fall time. and that's not even talking about the fashion elite people who wear everything before the stuff hits the shelves.

No sir I'm not new here and even if I were I've been studying fashion for a while now and I've been working with designers.

Cruise/Resort is not a season in and of itself. It overlaps other seasons. Cruise/Resort is for when you go on a cruise... or to a resort, thus the name. In the winter months, many of the "elite" as you call them, will go to San Trope, or Cape Cod, places where it's hotter, and a fur isn't needed. This is where you would wear the Cruise/Resort collection. So Resort is not in lieu of another season... it's basically vacation clothing.

Fall sir is not "pre-fall". Pre-Fall, is Pre-Fall and Fall is fall.. Pre-Fall again is a pre season that is finicky. We have begun to squeeze it into the calendar but it's not completely there yet. It is a working collection. Some designers design furs for it while others, Zero+Maria Cornejo comes to mind, design bikins. It is a season for very commercial pieces and actually is in stores, if I remember correctly, from about May to September. The pieces are ones that you can mix into your Spring/Fall wardrobes to transition. But again it is NOT an actual season in and of itself.

The seasons are the actual seasons they name but they SELL the season before. So no sir I'm not new... neither am I mistaken

[Squizree]

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Originally Posted by mikeijames the menswear calendar really highlights some of the inanity of the entire fashion system. seriously, by the time some of these clothes find themselves in front of consumers, they will look and feel ridiculously out-of-date. how can discerning that's-so-last-season clientele stand the feeling that something they JUST bought has been worn by the elite continuously since over a year ago? seriously, burberry pre-fall 2010 still sits on store shelves and we're already picking apart next years offerings!

I know what you mean, it's like everything is on fast forward. Makes you appreciate and respect Mr Ford that much more.

[Street_a_Licious]

uhm. i'm familiar with WHAT those mid season collection consist of. but it doesn't change the fact that people start wearing Cruise/Resort now already, especially trend hunters who can and feel the need to follow the latest in fashion. in the past few years, both Cruise and Pre-Fall developed far beyond what they were originally conceived to be. some might be more basic, but a lot of design houses see them both and present them as full fledged seasons.

and we're talking about how the perception of seasons got totally screwed up for people who actively follow fashion.

but since you say you're well informed, you must have known about that too, right?

[markese91]

People don't wear Cruise/Resort runniing around in NY now... as I said they wear them now but they are worn at the same time as Fall/Winter. while some people wear them now others are wearing fall/winter because they are not in a tropical locale. trend hunters have cruise trends and fall/winter trends... which run consecutively. I know because I work for the blog component of a trend forecasting company.

So yeah... I was aware

[Prairie]

Can't wait to watch Burberry Prorsum show!
Hope I'll have time to watch it online between all these exams.

[mikeijames]

cape cod and saint tropez are freezing right now: those are summer places. saint barths, palm beach, bali, marrakesh on the other hand.....beautiful.

[markese91]

bwahah thanks Mikeijames I'm horrible at locations :/ but I know fashion lol.

[Bezimienna]

FINALLY!

[mikeijames]

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Originally Posted by Street_a_Licious not for everyone, only us really. by mid-season, i already get NEXT YEAR'S collection in focus and sale shopping becomes 'looking for pieces that will feel good in a year too'. it's a fact that amuses and annoys me. i'm literally shopping for next year. at least Burberry offers 'Buy off the runway', but even that is seriously ridiculous. pieces get delivered about 6-8 weeks after ordering (that'd be right after the shows), so what, i either wear F/W clothes for summer or see those coats, jackets and accessories hanging in front of me for over 4 months and by the time i get to wear them, i might be sick of their look already. all that, of course, is for the 'that's-so-last-season' clientele. and then you see those supermarket chains or mail order catalogs with their 'latest trends!!!' and you can't help but snicker. /snob why not? it's looks we'll be orientating ourselves on next winter... (or, more specifically, Feb+Mar 2011, then Nov2011-Jan2012)

while i maintain we constitute an intellectual elite class when it comes to fashion (even some of my friends who ostensibly WORK in fashion haven't digested chanel's byzantine), the fashion consumer at large -- not the mall rats specifically but the bond street, madison avenue, rodeo drive lot -- stays in touch with the ever changing winds of fashion. they're going to these parties where people wear off-the-runway stuff. they're attending premieres. and if they're not, they're reading about it on blogs and in magazines. and the lack of choices (and the dearth of fashionable men) make this problem more acute with the menswear seasons. by the time one reaches mid-season (especially in fashionable cities), the stuff feels so terribly done.

it had barely gotten cold when prada camo stuff looked so tired hanging on the rack (when i tried it on, the highs outside were in the nineties). now, if i could have bought and worn it last winter soon after i first saw it, then it would have made sense.

[get fashion]

Milano!
Dolce, Gucci, Prada in my heart.
Good abs in Dsquared2 and Emporio.
Bad things from Versace and Cavalli.

[mikeijames]

^i'm curious if versace menswear will give us some of that quintessential gianni like we saw in the womenswear.



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