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i agree you guys. see this is the kind of situation-as if i wasn't enough already-that makes me even more ambivalent about fashion. i think the entire situation demeans real designers. in the name of profit they hire some half-hack who only makes(and i use that term loosely)leggings and was created in rachel zoe's eyes. this girl has no right nor any position to be heading a big house like this...especially one that's got such a repuatable legacy.

to have a celebrity like this who can't even bother to show up in her real job and hasn't done anything remotely interesting,makes me question the adequacy of it's current owners.
i completely agree...
yes britney spears is staging a comeback, musically and by teaming up with candies, not a renowned parisian couture house...
it would be like paris hilton or jessica simpson teaming up with givenchy, valentino, balmain, et. al...

i am not judging the work until i see it, but i can't imagine it will be any good...
i mean, look at her "personal style,"...

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Just to remember Lindsay's style,always impeccable
Like a real Ungaro customer should be

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The problem is that they shouldn't have fired Dundas,he was doing great things,glamorous and very parisian chic collections,just like Ungaro aesthetic should be in my opinion.But then we just come back to the economical issue(No sells=no job)

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I'm speechless.

Artistic director? What does that job entail?

Good God. Lindsay Lohan at the helm of a high-fashion brand?

Poor Ungaro must be rolling in his grave.

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i agree you guys. see this is the kind of situation-as if i wasn't enough already-that makes me even more ambivalent about fashion. i think the entire situation demeans real designers. in the name of profit they hire some half-hack who only makes(and i use that term loosely)leggings and was created in rachel zoe's eyes. this girl has no right nor any position to be heading a big house like this...especially one that's got such a repuatable legacy.

to have a celebrity like this who can't even bother to show up in her real job and hasn't done anything remotely interesting,makes me question the adequacy of it's current owners.
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Yes, but remember what Dundas made at Ungaro. His latest show at Ungaro was a bit eighties too, but it had nothing to do with this voguette and pretentious feeling I saw in his fw collection for Pucci.
oh, i think it was there....



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They really shouldn't have let Dundas go though. He brought such an energy to the house.
i bet they're kicking themselves right now when they see how well he's created a frenzy over at emilio pucci....

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Just to remember Lindsay's style,always impeccable
Like a real Ungaro customer should be

The problem is that they shouldn't have fired Dundas,he was doing great things,glamorous and very parisian chic collections,just like Ungaro aesthetic should be in my opinion.But then we just come back to the economical issue(No sells=no job)
while i agree that "true" designers should helm these houses, i'd rather celebrities lend their spotlight to existing fashion houses with history than try to shill something with their own names like sean jean, sweetface, or twenty8twelve.

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while i agree that "true" designers should helm these houses, i'd rather celebrities lend their spotlight to existing fashion houses with history than try to shill something with their own names like sean jean, sweetface, or twenty8twelve.
I don't agree with that as that's taking away someone who is possibly more worthy of that position. I'd rather the celebrity at their own "labels" as the majority discontinue within a few years anyways. Why must Lohan get paid to be an overly vocal "muse" at Ungaro? I'm not at all the biggest fan/follower of the Ungaro label, but it's terrible. I would have never thought something like this would happen.

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I hate when people make this statement. Dundas was doing what Balmain is doing now before anyone cared about who Decarnin was.

I don't want to judge before I see what they produce because it could turn out good if you take into account where Arch's has worked in the past.

They really shouldn't have let Dundas go though. He brought such an energy to the house.
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I don't agree with that as that's taking away someone who is possibly more worthy of that position. I'd rather the celebrity at their own "labels" as the majority discontinue within a few years anyways. Why must Lohan get paid to be an overly vocal "muse" at Ungaro? I'm not at all the biggest fan/follower of the Ungaro label, but it's terrible. I would have never thought something like this would happen.
i don't think that lohan's taking away from anyone. there's still a bonafide designer there. i don't see the material difference between putting her on the payroll this way and paying her millions to star in an ad campaign or pay her millions to develop a fragrance with them or pay her millions in "borrowed" clothes hoping she'll get photographed in it. fashion has a history -- even in the golden age -- of catering to celebrity and feeding off of it after all.

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i dont agree that lindsay should be an artistic director or whatever bull s*** shes coming out with , there are plenty of students out there with amazing creativity and would kill for that job or even just to style the show .

but i agree with mikeljames with celebrities lending their names to a house to help its growth just as long as they are reputable names , lindsay in the past hasnt had the greatest of reputations , dundas' collections for ungaro were amazing and very parisian chic , just what the house needs , and i do think his collection for pucci was very balmain but now reese06 said it dundas was at ungaro doing what he does best way before christophe was at balmain

and also the whole thing of no sell = no job is totally true , esteban's collections were poorly taken to and we slightly hit and miss

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That is quite possibly the single most disheartening headline I have ever read in all the years I have followed fashion, and I'm not being the least bit over-dramatic. Think about it, how long is it before they hand full control of a house to a celebrity? How long is it until real designers, people with knowledge and skills and ideas, are secondary to the celebrities that are hired to create buzz? How long is it until someone like Lindsay Lohan takes a bow solo for work she didn't and couldn't possibly do? Like Scott already said, this just further cheapens what it is that fashion designers do, and cheapens the industry itself as far as I'm concerned.

Any news on Emanuel's health today? Were this my 40-something year old legacy, it's for sure I'd drop dead from the shock.

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EARLY this summer, Esteban Cortazar, the fashion prodigy and, for three seasons, the designer of the Paris fashion house Ungaro, balked when his bosses presented a plan to hire the actress Lindsay Lohan as his collaborator. According to a retail executive who is friendly with Mr. Cortazar, but who spoke on condition of anonymity because she did not want to jeopardize her store’s relationship with the house, he was asked an ultimate indignity: to take a bow atthe end of his runway show while holding Ms. Lohan’s hand. Mr. Cortazar quit in July.

On Wednesday, Ungaro announced that Ms. Lohan, whose public flameout was the talk of Hollywood in 2007, has indeed become its artistic adviser, working with a new chief designer, Estrella Archs. The move immediately raised eyebrows in the fashion world, because Ms. Lohan, who is not always known for her facility for keeping her clothes on, would become part of the artistic legacy of a 43-year-old label whose namesake, Emanuel Ungaro, was once a protégé of Cristobal Balenciaga, described in the Who’s Who of Fashion as “possibly the greatest couturier of all time.”
Mounir Moufarrige, the chief executive of the company, acknowledged in an interview that the move would likely create waves among French fashion purists, possibly even charges of bad taste, but he argued that the times called for a maneuver he likened to “electric shock treatment.”

Sales of the high-end Ungaro collection have dropped substantially since Mr. Ungaro sold his business in 1996, and none of the designers hired to replace him since his retirement five years ago have managed to draw much attention to the label. Mr. Moufarrige, who joined the label in 2006 and has previously turned around the fortunes of French luxury labels like Goyard and Chloé (with the controversial appointment of Stella McCartney as its designer in 1997), said it was unlikely that a single fashion designer who fits the traditional mold could rebuild Ungaro during the recession. The label, which has global sales of about $200 million, mostly from cheaper products sold in Japan and scarcely from the high-end runway collection, has been losing money for several years. Mr. Moufarrige would not say how much, only that, as a minority shareholder, he was not in the habit of throwing it away.

“A designer alone is not enough to get us back where we were, unless I had Tom Ford or Phoebe Philo,” he said. “But there are not many of those, and they are taken.”

Mr. Cortazar, who started his own label in Miami as a teenager, was also a controversial choice to design the collection, which is largely seen as a vehicle for marketing more than a profit maker for the company. Despite encouraging reviews, his work was not garnering sales or international press as the company was expanding in China and Japan. He was not available to comment on his replacements. Typically, it takes a designer, even a hot one, years to build a strong reputation, and Ungaro has been faulted for changing its creative head every couple of seasons, damaging its reputation among editors and retailers. Mr. Moufarrige said he was not afraid of shaking things up once again.

“We could spend two or three years with a designer and get a great collection again,” he said. “But that doesn’t mean people will buy it. Everybody’s got a nice collection.” But a celebrity, that’s another story, and one who draws the spotlight just for selling a line of leggings couldn’t do worse. “I looked at several, and they all had the same ingredients,” Mr. Moufarrige said. “If you are a celebrity, you may be controversial and prone to a lot of problems, but you attract a lot of attention.”

Ms. Lohan has not had an easy time rehabilitating her reputation among movie makers, and her last film, “Labor Pains,” went straight to cable. But Mr. Moufarrige said her notoriety was a plus, and he pointed out that she has appeared on the cover of countless fashion magazines, like Elle and Harper’s Bazaar in the United States and international editions of Vogue.
“The girl is good-looking,” he said. “If I have bad taste, then the fashion editors have bad taste.”

Ms. Lohan, in a phone interview, said she was trying not to psyche herself out by considering how the French might respond to her new role at Ungaro, or comparing herself to the designer, but she was a little nervous.“My fashion school has just been my experience with people in fashion, working on photo shoots and creating my own style,” she said. Asked how she felt about Mr. Cortazar’s departure from the house, given her impending arrival, she said: “I’m not coming in to take over and take away from anyone. I’m just bringing insight to things.”

She has wanted to work in fashion since she was a little girl, she said, and she follows the industry closely. She did, in fact, know that Mr. Ungaro once worked for Balenciaga. “When I say I love fashion, I really do,” she said. “I live and breath fashion and clothing. There are so many designers I really admire and look up to. It’s such a rush for me. There’s this Balmain motorcycle jacket, and when I got one of the few they made without the shoulder pads, I literally screamed. Some people might look at me like I’m crazy or like I’m psychotic, but it makes me really happy.”

More to the point, Mr. Moufarrige’s strategy reflects a change in fashion that is being driven by the recession. It no longer makes sense, he said, to pay a star designer a $3 million salary. Though he would not say how much he is paying Ms. Lohan, he does expect a higher dividend, given the inevitable attention her involvement will generate.
“She’s a very clever person,” he said. “She’s not a designer. She’s an artistic adviser. She gives ideas on what she would wear. And I needed to bring down the average age group of Ungaro. The average age right now is 60.”

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I think people are too eager to dismiss Lohan. Sure, she isn't the most logical choice for 'aritistic director' of a revered fashion house, but so what?

I think that what Lohan will add to the aesthetic is a sense of excitement. God knows that she will wear half of the collection to events and premieres, which means more exposure for Ungaro.

Whichever way you look at it, money drives people to perform and perhaps with each collection they will invest in better assistant designers/stylists etc. Honestly, I predict Lohan's role will minimize with each season. I can't see her consulting for more than one or two seasons to be honest.

Lets just hope Archs is competent enough to create an exciting canvas to work with!

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I see absolutely NOTHING wrong w/ celebrities "designing" and having fashion lines, but this is a bit much lol.

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