The Row : from Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen

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[skinny_boho]

Originally Posted by kuba01

the ROW is a line of couture-basics, so to speak - its simple but its impeccably tailored and constructed.

Amen!!

[bearbrick]

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thanks 3thefrenchy.......are those vintage Donna Karans pics ?

[UNiQFashionista]

i have three of their tshirts- i got them last spring- i love them...i love their new collection- but i hate how impossible it is to find- they dont even have a website which i think they should have...where can i find their pieces in paris?

[bearbrick]

Originally Posted by misssakura

If we judged art and creations purely on the personal lives of the creators then suffice to say, a lot of the greatest and most successful works would have been long buried under scrutiny.

In short, their personal lives have nothing to do with this. You like the clothes or you don't like the clothes. You like the concept or you don't like the concept. It's pretty simple. This isn't a question of ethical consumerism, you're discussing something that doesn't even belong in this thread. It is irrelevant.

true .... to an extent.
if you are t alking about a trained designer who went thro formal training or some informal training ....at least some form of hands on experience in design.

somehow i dont think these two kids have any of these qualities other than shopping and dressing up ......... as stylists ......[ are they even that i wonder..?] i suspect their experiences in life and wat they have seen or not seen and lived or not lived is an important determining factor in their fashion "sense ".......

yes this thread is about a fashion - and its an objective task to like or nont like the clothes BUT also as a fashion thread we must also provide an insight on the background and history of the designer ..... that IMO is an important angle for fashion commentators ..otherwise we can just all go to Topshop or HM where there is no need to have a "name " ie nameless /faceless fashion ....as oppose to a personality ...i wld say ditto to people like LAMB /pdidddy/et al.

lets face it this is yet another attempt by these kids to milk their franchise ..which is very clever indeed .......BUT dont make it sound that they are fashion designers - theyy are not ...that would be an insult to those who spent years toiling for their craft.

[kuba01]

Originally Posted by bearbrick

true .... to an extent.
if you are t alking about a trained designer who went thro formal training or some informal training ....at least some form of hands on experience in design.

somehow i dont think these two kids have any of these qualities other than shopping and dressing up ......... as stylists ......[ are they even that i wonder..?] i suspect their experiences in life and wat they have seen or not seen and lived or not lived is an important determining factor in their fashion "sense ".......

yes this thread is about a fashion - and its an objective task to like or nont like the clothes BUT also as a fashion thread we must also provide an insight on the background and history of the designer ..... that IMO is an important angle for fashion commentators ..otherwise we can just all go to Topshop or HM where there is no need to have a "name " ie nameless /faceless fashion ....as oppose to a personality ...i wld say ditto to people like LAMB /pdidddy/et al.

Sorry, but since when did calling someone "ugly", "boring" and "hunch-backed" constitute providing an insight into a designer?!

And secondly, Ashley interned for Zac Posen, and has been designing clothing since her early teens!!

[lemeray]

^ Well they didn't really design in their teens, they employed designers and then those designers would present the peices to them and they would approve if they liked it or not.

[Madhuri]

^^True. They never sought formal training of any kind in design to my knowledge. Didn't they major in film at NYU?

The clothes seem like very well-made basics but I don't think the pricing is justified at all.

[kuba01]

I'm not talking about their line that is sold at Walmart - I'm talking about in general - the Olsens have designed their own looks ie. the leather jacket Ashley designed when she was 14

[Tiffany7]

A couple questions...
How much for a tee & where can I buy it?

Does any place in Chicago or Indy carry it? Ill probably have to call & order it so it doesnt matter really but theres a possibilty I could check it out if its there or it would at least get here faster if I had to order it lol.

[misssakura]

Originally Posted by bearbrick

true .... to an extent.
if you are t alking about a trained designer who went thro formal training or some informal training ....at least some form of hands on experience in design.

somehow i dont think these two kids have any of these qualities other than shopping and dressing up ......... as stylists ......[ are they even that i wonder..?] i suspect their experiences in life and wat they have seen or not seen and lived or not lived is an important determining factor in their fashion "sense ".......

yes this thread is about a fashion - and its an objective task to like or nont like the clothes BUT also as a fashion thread we must also provide an insight on the background and history of the designer ..... that IMO is an important angle for fashion commentators ..otherwise we can just all go to Topshop or HM where there is no need to have a "name " ie nameless /faceless fashion ....as oppose to a personality ...i wld say ditto to people like LAMB /pdidddy/et al.

lets face it this is yet another attempt by these kids to milk their franchise ..which is very clever indeed .......BUT dont make it sound that they are fashion designers - theyy are not ...that would be an insult to those who spent years toiling for their craft.

You're forgetting something. They aren't working alone on this. They are working with a friend who has studied fashion for some number of years also.

Why is it an insult? Why? Are they taking away work from Galliano? Are they sneaking up to McQueen's house at night and flinging The Row in his face and saying 'EAT IT BITCH!'? They're not doing a runway presentation and flaunting their work in the way some 'designers' (who do have training but don't produce anything of interest and sometimes poor quality) are doing. This line isn't 'ambitious', it's simple, produced in very small quantities at HIGH quality and is made to last. As far as I'm concerned, why does that mean you have to have studied fashion for 20, 30 years?

This whole attitude is so elitist and it makes me sick. I can somewhat understand the hatred because of all the celebrity collections out there but they are 100% involved in this.

Is the problem that you're envious? I don't see any other reason to get so emotionally involved. You don't like the price? Then don't buy it. The reason the price is like that is because of the materials, the quality and the limited stock. This isn't going on sale across the country in every target.

I don't know...I just think it's a really childish attitude to point at somebody and say "They haven't done 6 years at fashion school and 6 years interning OH! and they're already famous how dare they say the sacred word 'Design'?"

Just look at this line and see if you find it pretentious or deserving of this scorn. Is it trying to be something it shouldn't be? Should it not exist? If you really look rationally I think you'll find the answer is no...

But if you do find the answer is yes it shouldn't be because of who they are. At all.

[joiedemode]

Originally Posted by Tiffany7

A couple questions...
How much for a tee & where can I buy it?

Does any place in Chicago or Indy carry it? Ill probably have to call & order it so it doesnt matter really but theres a possibilty I could check it out if its there or it would at least get here faster if I had to order it lol.

The tees I bought were either $195 or $198 (I know only $3 difference lol ) and the white TANK was $150. I bought all of them at Maxfield in LA but they are available at Barneys too. Maybe you can call Barneys and ask if they have them, and if not ask if they know where they have sold too.

[joiedemode]

I just found a receipt for one of my tees, it is for sure $195

[misssakura]

Edit: A few more points. As others have pointed out, Ashley has interned previously and done some informal studies with fashion. Mary Kate doesn't pretend that she's fashion savvy but she has standards and knows what clothes she does and doesn't like which is also important for the harmony of the brand.

Secondly your point about name brands etc. What you're saying is something different. Coming and insulting somebody and saying they're ugly is not being objective or insightful about the designer. It's vindictive. A lot of people couldn't name the current designer for Chloe (okay maybe most of them not here but they have a large clientele). Does that mean that the brand automatically becomes H&M? It doesn't. While many people feel it's necessary to become invested in the personal lives of the designers, I think just as many people only want a name to attach to a product and not a back story to decide whether they like the person before the clothes. I'm not interested in learning about Yohji Yamamoto. I couldn't care less if he had 5 wives who ran filipino bars. His clothes are great and that's why people hear Yohji and then look at the clothes.

As far as I'm concerned the only reason people want to delve into a backstory is because they're not smart enough to critique just the clothes. It's not just the same in fashion, it's all over the reviewing board. People who critique a director before they critique a movie. It's lazy journalism, one that allows people to ignore the craft of the clothes and focus on personal soundbites to spice up their writing. Would a good review of the MJ show have read "Now, because I think Marc Jacobs is an ugly drunken slut, his clothes are messy and disoriented"? Not at all.

I don't think anybody here is comparing Ashley to Alexander McQueen but they are producing a product that has a completely different concept.

If you think the price is too high then you should justify it by comparing the quality of the clothes and the fitting of the clothes to existing products on the market and give and take for the name. From what I can tell the clothes are around the Chloe price point for their more simple items but generally cheaper. I think that's fair considering they produce less.

I'm sure other people have something more coherent and insightful to say and I'm just rambling but..oh I don't know. Just go watch Ratatouille.