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loved the interview but to me honestly he was his best in Gucci

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and incase of his own brand I really wanted to see him at Dior or YSL but ı think he really wanted to have his own brand and has it now.

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There's no doubt his company is doing well, but my point was more on the creative side. In my opinion, everything he produced so far for his brand is unworthy of putting him on top of luxury brands like he's so sure he'll be. What's the point of having garments with a exorbitant price tag and made out of the finest and luxurious fabrics when the garment itself is borderline ugly? Especially when you can find something with the same quality, same price level but better designed at Prada and Gucci for example. But even more than that, I find his view on the business to be very dated. Starting with all this private showroom, no photos allowed nonsense (wake up, you're not a 1950's french couturier) and his very elitist take on who his customer is or should be.

But all in all, I like how he sees his mistakes with honesty and how he's ready to fix them. Even though i'm not a fan of Tom and his aesthetics, i'm certainly intrigued and excited to see his next moves.
First of all, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and secondly his customer is looking for exclusivity, you can easily buy Prada and Gucci pieces both online and in store whereas Tom Ford's products are very few and far between and for his brand to be doing so well at his price point even for his fragrances which his Private Blend fragrances are £280 a bottle and people clammer to get ahold of the latest releases means that regardless of whether Tom is the tastemaker at Gucci or the exuberant designer now it means he still has an influence over the market.

I think he has a very strong brand identity, if you walk into his stores you can feel it and it is much more poignant than other designers such as Vuitton but people need to remember there is a difference between Tom and the likes of Vuitton and Prada... Tom's Womenswear has been around for 6 seasons (he hasn't done resort/pre-fall collections) so I think a bit of leniency needs to be there for a brand that not only has to develop an identity but also grow as a business and compete with the likes of LVMH and Gucci Group.

I admire him for what he's achieved by himself, not only is he self financed but he's developed enormous growth in such a short space of time since launching his womenswear devision, I think if he wishes to be amongst the top five there would need to be modifications such as there would need to be a presence on e-commerce, I'm just hoping he doesn't lower himself and create such cheap products that the likes of LVMH and Gucci Group are guilty of producing (such as cheap canvas sneakers with matching shopper bags ).

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I enjoyed reading that interview, his ego has always been massive so that is not surprising to me, its the dna of his brand! But what did surprise me is just how hurt he came off about the reaction from that show, i mean he kept trying to justify it throughout the interview, not something i am used to from him. It must have really hurt him it wasnt a smash.

Oh and what article is he mentioning where Henri Pinault insulted him? Anyone read it?
I think he was referring to this article: http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-the-curtain/
Pinault's right-hand man, Jean-François Palus, said that when Tom was at the helm, he smothered Gucci & YSL's image and capitalized on his own reputation. When PPR took over those brands, Pinault strongly opposed Tom's direction, creatively and financially.

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^ Thank you so much Cold for posting the link of the article, that is interesting.

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it's important for tom ford to find an identity as a brand first before talking about making to the top 5.

chanel, lv, gucci, prada, armani.....they all have strong identities that differentiate them among competitors. i dont see that with tom ford.

when he find a strong identity for his brand by then we'll talk about top five of global luxury brands.
Really?

If nothing else, whether his designs are good or bad, whether they sell or not, whether he does or doesn't end up becoming a Top 5 brand, I don't think there are many people who would say that his brand doesn't have a distinct brand identity. Each facet of his brand -- from the ready to wear all the way to his lipsticks -- is part of what I think is a very cohesive and pretty easy to understand whole.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think you can look at what he produces and still be left wondering who the Tom Ford man or woman is.

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the brand identity is vintage halston...

and the tom ford woman is ... Jerry Hall or Bianca Jagger...

ha!

i think he's just a little tardy to the party...
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but oh spike...i do admire your loyalty...


as far as menswear---the identity is actually a lot stronger, imho...
though i think only real assh*les want to dress like a young Hugh Heffner...

but hey- there are a lot of assh*les with lots of $$ and really bad taste...
so there is def a market for this nonsense...

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He most def has his own identity. Super-sleek, ALWAYS polished, ALWAYS luxurious, 70's crazed glossy RICH B***H ! Anyone who says otherwise is crazy. Its evident in EVERYTHING he does. If you don't believe me, just look @ all the Altuzarra threads that had people screaming "TF-light"

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I think he was referring to this article: http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-the-curtain/
Pinault's right-hand man, Jean-François Palus, said that when Tom was at the helm, he smothered Gucci & YSL's image and capitalized on his own reputation. When PPR took over those brands, Pinault strongly opposed Tom's direction, creatively and financially.
Interesting read, thanks!

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I dont get it why people is still on Tom Ford's case. Stylist or not, I think he has done a lot. I think his ego serves him well and its good to be inspired and driven to achieve a target. I thought his collection this time was pure sex and so loud..like Kapow!, but of course, they're totally meant to be separates. Anyways, I bet he still has stuff that he can sell at retail and still make them benjamins.

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I think this is a great interview and he was very honest at various points, esp about the recent runway show and how he could have done better. I don't think I have seen him being that honest before about his own 'failures'. In other interviews, he always seemed to put on a facade, very protective and careful about what he has to say about Tom Ford the brand, very well rehearsed at times, almost an invisible barrier he upholds everytime he is interviewed.

Tom Ford is egoistical, and that is nothing new, and that is who he is and that is what makes him interesting. Aren't we all used to it by now? And I still enjoy reading what he has to say.

On the topic of being the top 5 luxury brand & its identity:-

Based on what I have seen, Tom Ford's men collection seemed to have a stronger identity compared to the women's collection. Overall, it seems like he is still trying to find a common ground for the brand as a whole and as much as I like Tom Ford the brand, I don't think he is quite there yet. Yes, he has over 60 stores worldwide but he is no match for Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Chanel, etc at this present time. In less than 10 years? We shall see.

I have been to many of his stores - shop-in-shop in Selfridges & Harrods in London, Holt Renfrew in Toronto, stand-alone boutiques in Shanghai, Hong Kong, including the flagship store in Madison Ave, New York and what I have noticed is, no matter how luxurious the set up is, how picky To Ford is with the setup (Tom Ford has his entourage of designated staff that travels to specific stores to draft up floor plans and orders specific wood panels from Germany - measured up and shipped from there to the stores around the world so that the finalised Tom Ford store has the Tom Ford identity), what I find personally is that the stores are lacking space. They are lacking land space (that is always a challenge as large land retail space is hard to find, esp if you are looking for a prime location as well). I find that the stores are simply too small and too cramped up. Even the flagship store in my opinion. The stairs is pretty tiny. The alley upstairs leading to the shoe section is tight as well. Step into LV, Gucci, Chanel, what you have is massive space, and that is luxurious. Tom Ford store needs to be huge, and it needs to feel spacious. And it needs to have a wider variety of collection available in the store.

One thing I don't understand is limited variety as well as availability of Tom Ford RTW collection in the stores. Yes, it is meant to be exclusive - I am sure the price is exclusive enough but it needs to have a reasonable stock. I can only speak from the stores I have been to, mentioned above. I remembering reading so much about Tom Ford boutiques online and in magazines, and when I finally made it to the stores, I was a tad disappointed by the limited variety of RTW available in stores. I was ready to make my purchases but I had a hard time finding what I wanted. I had to hop a few stores to get what I want, and eventually, did a MTO for a blazer. Staple coloured shirts ran out of stock in most stores because they brought in low quantities - as I was told consistently. The shoes were also quite limited in variety even in both shop-in-shop in London - both Selfridges & Harrods (that was 2012) with exception of Madison Ave. HK fair pretty poor in terms of shoe collection as well, and Melbourne & Sydney are the worst - only 4/5 varieties. It is a shame really.

If Tom Ford is able to address these issues and he will be closer to getting where he wants to be. I know I love shopping in relatively big boutiques and where there is a reasonable variety of RTW available for browsing & subsequently purchasing, I'm sure that is a general consensus, too - correct me if I am wrong. Given so much hype on marketing, it has to match in the stores themselves. That is my opinion.

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Henry is wearing Tom Ford -

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Actor Henry Cavill attends the "Man Of Steel" world premiere at Alice Tully Hall at Lincoln Center on June 10, 2013 in New York City.
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Thrift shop suit?

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Henry is beautifully handsome, but he's so bulky the suits just don't look good on him. Jake on the other hand, looks great.

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