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It's okay, I think it would look good a decent model.

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Echoing most of the sentiments here so far - pretty decent looking collection that's bogged down by poor model, hair/make-up, accessory (jewelry is good, though) and styling choices. In fact, I think all of those choices turn what could be a pretty fresh and attractive looking collection into something that looks a bit dated.

Some of the pieces look very gorgeous (that black/white graphic print is really good) and it's a shame they weren't presented in a more elevated way. Tom obviously knows his customer and what she likes and knows the life she lives...and it's totally fine that he's catering more directly for her - but from a fashion/editorial perspective, he could have pushed it a bit further and into a more modern territory.

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This looks awfully dated. Why wasn't there a show and why cast this awful model?
Lida Fox and 'awful model' do not belong together. As for the restÖ

I don't know why he keeps thinking that awkward cutouts and asymmetries add anything to his aesthetic. If he's so focused on selling, he should just deliver what his customer really wants: super sexy, well fitting with a contemporary twist.

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Echoing most of the sentiments here so far - pretty decent looking collection that's bogged down by poor model, hair/make-up, accessory (jewelry is good, though) and styling choices. In fact, I think all of those choices turn what could be a pretty fresh and attractive looking collection into something that looks a bit dated.

Some of the pieces look very gorgeous (that black/white graphic print is really good) and it's a shame they weren't presented in a more elevated way. Tom obviously knows his customer and what she likes and knows the life she lives...and it's totally fine that he's catering more directly for her - but from a fashion/editorial perspective, he could have pushed it a bit further and into a more modern territory.
I think he knows his customers but i don't think he knows the life they lives.
Judging by this collection only and maybe his previous collection, the Tom Ford woman seems to be very detached from reality compared to the Tom Ford man. The Tom Ford man is this affluent, independent and strong individual who wants to stand-out but it's hard to see this woman as an active woman.
I love and i wear Tom Ford but i don't recognize myself here and the styling is not relevant enough for an "active" lifestyle.

This for me looks like a younger version of Ralph Rucci and the Ralph Rucci woman for me is not working. She is a philanthropist, a socialite, she goes to diner and everything...She is maybe the wife of the business but she is not the business.

There are some very covetable and ambitious pieces here like the complex zipped top, the blouson in the 4th look but the overall result is sad and lacks energy.
FW12 and SS15 are still my 2 favorite collections from him because it was full Tom Ford. He didn't hold back or tried to be relevant. It was fun, sexy, slightly vulgar but at the same time very approachable.

I really don't think that working with Carine works for Tom anymore. Good clothes last forever and i know that if i buy the pants from this collection, i'll wear them forever but for me, it's impossible for him to get back this energy with Carine.

Carine is at a point of her career where she has to capture the energy of the youth in order to be relevant in a way. I don't think she has to do it but for some reason, she is doing it. Tom needs a fresher eye...Not necessarly someone younger but someone who can give another energy to his clothes.

I would love for him to work with maybe MAS, Benjamin Bruno even Geraldine Saglio or Olivier Rizzo.

I still believe that his voice is necessary in the fashion conversation as no one can do sexy like him...No one really.

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I really don't think that working with Carine works for Tom anymore. Good clothes last forever and i know that if i buy the pants from this collection, i'll wear them forever but for me, it's impossible for him to get back this energy with Carine.

Carine is at a point of her career where she has to capture the energy of the youth in order to be relevant in a way. I don't think she has to do it but for some reason, she is doing it. Tom needs a fresher eye...Not necessarly someone younger but someone who can give another energy to his clothes.

I would love for him to work with maybe MAS, Benjamin Bruno even Geraldine Saglio or Olivier Rizzo.

I still believe that his voice is necessary in the fashion conversation as no one can do sexy like him...No one really.
I think this is absolutely true. I feel as though them working together has passed the expiration date - in the sense that they don't seem to challenge each other in a positive way anymore. And maybe that's not what either is looking for - which if that's the case, then that's too bad.

But, a fresh eye is indeed needed and I think could be wildly successful to give Tom's ultimately attractive, flattering and extremely well made clothing the boost it needs in terms of packing a more creative punch.

The styling here is far too Madame. I certainly don't want to see Tom pandering to the KIDZ (as Phuel so lovingly refers to them ), but it would be rather intriguing to see someone come in and strip back a bit of the lacquered and shellacked feeling we've been getting from Tom for too long now at his own line. I would like to see his woman de-accessorized, with her hair a bit more of a bed head feeling, and seriously no more tricky shoes!! They suffocate each and every one of the looks!

It's like - in "Nocturnal Animals," I was so bowled over by Amy Adam's surprisingly pure and radiant natural beauty that Tom so ingeniously captured in the flashbacks scenes of her character's younger self...her hair undone, no makeup, a simple black turtleneck...it was fabulous! Would love to see a bit more of that attitude in the presentation of his collections.

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There's something in the stark daywear looks in black & white that are giving me a distinct whiff of his iconic Fall 1996 collection, only without the structure and slickness. Sort of a Donna Karan-ified take on that Gucci look. It's as if that young woman grew up, left the VIP booths and got in touch with the earth just a bit. Whether or not that's a good thing is open for debate, but in some looks -- like the long cream duster coat, crew neck and fluid trousers with the big brass-detailed belt -- it has a definite allure to it.

It's missing the humor though, the sense of "I know this is wrong but it feels so right" that has, until as recently as Fall 2015, defined his work. It's not bad, it's just not as good as it could be.

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Didn't Monse do that split side sequinned tee-shirt-dress thing last season. The Monse version is much nicer too. The model is awful!

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The model ruins the clothes , should have use a more mature and lissome yet glamourous model. I like his clothes in fashion shows, I also think he needs to get a stylist

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This looks awfully dated.
That's a subtle way to put it... My gawd, his fashion couldn't be any worse since day 1. And the pictures. The styling...


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I can see why people thinks it's dated.
This does feel like his Gucci circa 1997, bit like someone aptly pointed out, I love it cos it's tom ford, the man can do elegance and quality, so even if it's not even an updated Gucci, it's fine, it's wearable chic (at a high price tag). He is still 10 times more talented than jw Anderson and 100 times more than Maria grazia chiuri.

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^^^ Absolutely.

Tom knows his clientele. He’s dressing a lifestyle. His is not a gimmick for the next few months to be discarded. When I see his pieces in the store, they look and feel like they’re meant to last, not just as a luxurious investment, but also as pieces that will fit into your existing wardrobe to be worn for years to come. Of course, the casting, the styling and the production here— and the footwear, isn’t doing much for me and totally gives off a stale whiff. Weird how Tom signed off on this production.

Designs like JW's is pure, cheap gimmick. His designs are totally disposable and own everything to hype: Wear it once, twice, maybe three times, and you’re bored of it. They have no life beyond the initial hype. Now that’s dated.

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Like it or not JW has shaped fashion these past years. And disposable fashion is part of what gives sense to fashion. Actually, everything is disposable.

I don't like shopping/clothes so I try to go for neutral things, but still after one month wearing it I'm already bored and don't want to see that garment again.

And I think when talking about a collection or a designer people should not say "It's still better than this, than that". Who cares about comparisons? Tom would never be as good as Nicolas for example. But it's like comparing an apple to a car. Tom is styling and Nicolas is (was) a fashion genius. Two different things and both are necessary, so I don't get the JW-Tom Ford comparisons.

These days Tom Ford is nothing and that's the real question.


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^^^ Thatís just a matter of preference. What you preferó and that seems to be only the latest, doesnít make what is classic, irrelevant.

To say that someone like JW is the leading tastemaker of the current state of fashion isnít great props to him since high fashion is in the most dire state itís ever been in.

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If becoming the leading creative mind of an industry isn't great props to him I don't know what is. And he is not responsible of the state of fashion, the state of fashion is the answer of certain circumstances (the decisions made by LVMH, Gucci Group, Condť Nast, Internet, Social Media... and that people has lost the passion for fashion). So yeah, I do think JW is not great, but in a sea of mediocrity he has been capable of defining an aesthetic and a kind of style in terms of photography and fashion that many others have adapted...

And Tom is just making money and that's it, the clothes are obviously well made (if they weren't for the price they are sold...). Although, to be honest, a lot of things seen in high end stores are not that well made so I'll give him that.

My point is that Tom is totally lost and of course he is in his right to do this sort of things, but me as a fashion lover just wish that he would have never come back. He was a fashion god and now he is just a joke. A joke that makes non-disposable clothes according to you, yes, but a joke after all that doesn't even know how to manage his fashion line.

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^^^ Admittedly, his return under his own name is not the stuff of his legendary Gucci-days. But once I accepted that he was more interested in dressing an already existing costumer that was more set, and confident in their lifestyle and less interested in wearing the latest fashion statementsó and Tom himself not at all interested in creating Gucci 2.0, Iíve appreciated that brand of classicism based on a very personal direction. And once I started wearing his designs, selectively and mixing them with other designer piecesó both new and vintage, I started to really adore his brand of worldbuilding that goes beyond fashion. Nowhere is my lifestyle close to those characters in his films, but I can relate to them more than I do to some forced, abstract, and vey lazy ideal from the likes of JW, which leaves me cold-- and totally bored. Different strokes and all that, of course.

I donít think in general Tom's designs are ďlostĒ, nor are they a ďjokeĒ. Itís all good if thatís how you feel about him; his is obviously not your thing. As mentioned, his current presentations however are rather tragicÖ They come off totally as a generic, cheap afterthought, which is rather confusing to me, since he doesnít seem to be strap for cash to produce at least something strong-looking, nor the creative ability to conjure up something a tad more seductive than these ANTM-aesthetics. Heís giving me nothing in terms of his presentationó and I do wish he would, because thereís nothing more inspiring than a fashion designer whose designs are luxurious, bespoke, strong separates that lasts the test of fickle fashion times, and who also serve as a leading barometer in creative/art/fashion direction. But at this point in time, Iím more interested in what the shop has in store for me to buy, than whether his fashion presentations are going to lead high fashion again. I guess his triumph as a filmmaker is making up for his lack of branding.

(As for JW, nothing at this point will convince me he is not a lesser designer. Iím more than open to have my mind changed. Iím not holding my breath though.)

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