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Although I have been taught to understand and even respect unusual art through my education, the bottom line for me always is: do I actually like it on its own?

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Or to put it another way: you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink...

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i think my posts were just a really long way of saying.. i'm not into bjork. i guess i just get tired of everybody building her up so much.

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I know how you feel...

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Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Dec 29th, 2003 - 5:10 am
This is not my 'arrogant' opinion it is a fact. She uses a simple style that is derived from classic Western styles of composition. It is monophonic. Monotonal. Monorythmic. Uses the standard Western octave. Normally uses standard, non-compound, time signatures. Uses standard Western devices such as mordents and cadences. It does use some dissonance but only to a degree that is part of existing harmonic structures. The music is not at all syncopated and it does not swing (it doesn't have swung rythm). The music is largely pre-composed. The backing uses fairly standard chord progression (i.e. no chromatism or use of the glissando to change). The use of chord structures is totally standard (i.e. she doesn't substitute in other chords such as the mediant &c.) She does not use these standard techniques exceptionally well - J.S. Bach is much better at using these classic styles (there is extensive literature on why Bach is among the best at use of classical devices such as counterpoint). Her singing style is fairly refined - it doesn't come near the raw-ness of some of the blues singers. But her singing does not have exceptional musical finesse (i.e. the vibrato &c. is not completely controlled).

Actually bjorks rythms are not as simplistic as you would make it sound.

Art is not about dooing some technically amazing ordeal, art is abotu creativety, look at some body liek Frida Kahlo who is regarded as oen of the most amazing artists, why? Not becuas she has amazing technique btu becuas she was cerative and emotional and true. I think bjork is breaking boundaryess, she is doing ehr own thing, and I think that is breaking boudarys wetehr you think so or not.

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Unless you tell me what makes them more complex or what boundaries Bjork is breaking we can harldy either argue with you or agree with you...

Look at Picasso, Renoir, Matisse, Van Gogh, Monet, Miro &c. they were all higly technically skilled (all of them could have been traditional styles if they had chosen) all of them are great artists...

Phrases like 'doing her own thing' are all very well but what boundaries is she actually breaking? How does she change our conception of music or art? How does she advance the progress of musical styles?

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Actually,I think,in her music these last few years she's been playing alot with the organic undertones of classical music. Maybe its become something she's inspired by-the romanticsm of it all. The music in general,is alot less complex and over-conceptualized than it used to be.

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Bjork is similar to Van Gogh, Matisse, Picasso etc... because they were highly criticized at the start of their career except for Picasso. I dont know if you are old enough to remember her in the Sugarcubes but she is just a long line of talented punk remnants like Siousix, Exena, Morrisey, Bono, Robert Smith, Francis Black etc, who all still rock but may have commercialized or lost their edge
I love that everyone hates or loves her thats powerful. and a sign that she is a good Artiste

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Originally posted by Theone@Dec 29th, 2003 - 11:28 pm
Bjork is similar to Van Gogh, Matisse, Picasso etc... because they were highly criticized at the start of their career except for Picasso. I dont know if you are old enough to remember her in the Sugarcubes but she is just a long line of talented punk remnants like Siousix, Exena, Morrisey, Bono, Robert Smith, Francis Black etc, who all still rock but may have commercialized or lost their edge
I love that everyone hates or loves her thats powerful. and a sign that she is a good Artiste
oh give me a break how can anyone group bjork with picasso and van gogh? that is going way too far. somebody please give me just one example of what shes done thats so revolutionary.

and everyone either loves or hates britney spears does that make her powerful too?

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I dont know if you are old enough to remember her in the Sugarcubes but she is just a long line of talented punk remnants like Siousix, Exena, Morrisey, Bono, Robert Smith, Francis Black etc, who all still rock but may have commercialized or lost their edge
I love that everyone hates or loves her thats powerful. and a sign that she is a good Artiste
yes, exactly theone.

actually i saw the sugarcubes when i was 11 !! it was my first concert -they were opening for U2 ( zoo TV). thats why i didnt say anything when someone in this thread mentioned she has " no staying power" kind of funny sinse she has been around for decades, and her first recording deal at 11. but thats all for me, i respect everyones opinion , love or hate her

i do truly love her music, big time sensuality, hyperballad, possibly maybe, isobel........ so many.....

actually my mother loves bjork as well. she took me along to the concert. we still listen to bjork even together. so ive just been in a pro - bjork household for a while

here are a few links to some bjork interviews
here (2001)and
here (2003)

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Give me that Swan Dress any day over ANY boring Renee Zellweggerish outfit.

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Give me that Swan Dress any day over ANY boring Renee Zellweggerish outfit.
then i must love boring..........

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I like publicity so I'll say it again:

Bjork's music is a simple monophonic rthym with an equally simple melody and little use of harmony. Her own lyrics show little use of more complex poetic devices and do not have exceptional beauty of expression. Her version of 'I can't get no satisfaction' was a complete bastardisation.

She is nobody, she should dress like nobody...
i completely agree.......
she is one of those pple whom people pretend is more of artistic than commercialised yet they know that the truth is hat she is as commercialised as britny spears.She is like an early version of jlo whereby all the rave was abt her raw and uniquelatin energy then all the hype and she is yesterdays news.Or even sjp... whoosh whoosh........

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Yes, I agree. I don't take the opinion of some of these nutty art-critics that anything they don't like isn't art.

I just don't like Bjork's style because to my eyes she isn't either chic or elegant, just my opinion. Fashion is too complicated to be judged really...just about anything could look good...
I quite agree. She is neither chic nor elegant, nor does she probably desire to be. IMHO, she's not Bjork, she's Blech! As always, to each her own!

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Originally posted by eguana+Dec 30th, 2003 - 3:27 pm--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eguana @ Dec 30th, 2003 - 3:27 pm)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-PrinceOfCats@Dec 28th, 2003 - 4:27 pm
I like publicity so I'll say it again:

Bjork's music is a simple monophonic rthym with an equally simple melody and little use of harmony. Her own lyrics show little use of more complex poetic devices and do not have exceptional beauty of expression. Her version of 'I can't get no satisfaction' was a complete bastardisation.

She is nobody, she should dress like nobody...
i completely agree.......
she is one of those pple whom people pretend is more of artistic than commercialised yet they know that the truth is hat she is as commercialised as britny spears.She is like an early version of jlo whereby all the rave was abt her raw and uniquelatin energy then all the hype and she is yesterdays news.Or even sjp... whoosh whoosh........ [/b][/quote]

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