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personally, i'd take a picture with a camera, print it, and snail mail it ... express.
This is the problem, I think... not really what they did with the pictures afterwards but that icloud automatically synchs your photo stream... if you choose that option of course, and who doesn't back up?!. I read that a lot of that was actually deleted so that's a bit freaky... I always knew it was possible to recover pictures that were deleted on your iphone but the idea that someone else can too or that they're actually stored in a place others can access is.. ..

I think pixiedust got it right when she mentioned the long-distance thing. You are traveling and apart for long periods of time, even one of the Jessica Brown videos are about that, I definitely don't see it as some fetish or plain narcissism, it's just the way it is for a lot of people, not just celebrities and it's kind of a good use of technology if you ask me, I'm glad we're past the "I long for your return" letter received 3 months later (with not even a sneak peak - *perv*)... what's wrong is the lack of privacy and of course, the way people are exhibited as if they were doing something sick. Uh, we're all sexual beings, welcome to how the world was made.

Finally, maybe I'm too hopeful but I don't really see their careers being too hurt, they're a lot and they're in good company to the point you can't really single them out, the only one that's experiencing that is Jennifer Lawrence and she'll be fine, there's also been a lot of criticism towards the person that did this and at this point I care more about how it's all going to go down when he gets arrested (cause he will). It also helps that this has now put everyone in paranoid mode, it was not some unhappy lover betraying an actress and putting it up online.. I'm sure a lot of people have deleted stuff or stopped synching their phones since they read about it. Most people have a passcode for a reason... and turns out it's kind of useless.

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new media only allows those voices to be heard by the masses... Misogyny is not a new thing, slut shaming is neither... only that before their opinions were limited to their circle of friends and people they knew while now it's everywhere in a matter of minutes.
Cellphone companies should get sued so then maybe they'll do something to secure their servers from hacking so do cloud space providing companies. They should guarantee users are protected. Arresting hackers after the fact is useless in preventing this type of crime imo...

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New media. Absolutely. Porn is now everywhere and accessed so by young teens and children at alarming rates. It is first education to sex and relationships that these kids get. They learn from a very young age women are nothing but sex objects, and girls believe this too.

I was actually surprised at how explicit some of these celeb images are (Bar, Melissa...).

As for the others (and I havent seen them all) I thought nudes in a mirror, sure, why not, but some of the extreme close ups I was not expecting to see.

*I was born in the 80s. Oh gosh, am I now a prude?

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blame the users not the media. if children have access to porn blame the parents who arent educating their children, if I want to watch porn why shouldn't I?
I think the new media is liberating and 'barriers braker'. Just to cite the porn example, if women wanted to watch porn before internet it was embarrassing and it was almost guaranteed that they wouldnt... going to a sex shop, buying videos, etc was frowned upon but now it's just a click away available for everyone without judgement. It's about educating young people, which is mainly the parents job.
I was not so much surprised by the content but why would they choose to back up those pics (specially in Jennifer Lawrence's case), if indeed they were cloud leeks.

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You can watch porn. I am not saying porn should be banned.

I am saying it is more pervasive, easier to access (even accidently), and with a greater subtext of violence against women than ever before.

This is completely different to previous generations' introductions to sex and porn.

And yes, this is something parents need to adapt their parenting to.

But honestly I think it will only get worse.

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new media makes EVERYTHING more accessible and immediate - including porn - and so people are exposed to way more and at much younger ages. you can't just blame parents. it's impossible to police your children at all times. but i agree you can't solely blame new media either. it's just important to know that with all its benefits come many risks.

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impossible.... no one can guarantee that.

phone companies (social media sites, banks, and etc....) can constantly come up with new firewalls, security, etc. and guess what? hackers will constantly come up with new ways to get through. look at the heartbleed bug...

with the advent of the internet and digital media, the line between public and private has become especially blurry, and yet we offer up more and more information, and more of ourselves, readily and willingly. we need to understand the risks, which are perhaps even more pronounced for famous people.

i still think there's a weird, though hopefully less harmful, parallel to us looking at paparazzi shots of celebs. a number of them hate those photos, and don't consent, but we still look at them. and while they used to be published in magazines, the market for them on the internet went through the roof!

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i still think there's a weird, though hopefully less harmful, parallel to us looking at paparazzi shots of celebs. a number of them hate those photos, and don't consent, but we still look at them. and while they used to be published in magazines, the market for them on the internet went through the roof!
Thanks Jane! That was another parallel which I wanted to draw. To some extent we can actually equate the public interest of this hacking to the continued fascination and patronage of paparazzi shots. I mean the very people who fixate on candid pictures of celebs are shouting and screaming about 'violation of privacy'. Is it because nudity is involved?

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^Pap pics are taken on the street or public areas but these nude pics were private. I think there´s a big difference.

My point was that you can´t blame internet (as an entity that emcompasses all media) for people´s misogyny, intolerance, etc.
I don´t think parents should police their children by prohibiting 24/7 that they don´t see stuff that is not meant for them, that indeed is impossible. But they should teach, explain, talk to them about this stuff so when they come across them, they know better.

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^ i do think/hope/assume that many parents are already doing that. but even such educational goals do not change or reverse misogynist imagery that one might inadvertently come across.

saw this article; thought it interesting to post (tips on how to avoid...)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ho...-web-1.2753397

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Gosh, what's all these misogyny and sexism accusations? Wouldn't be an internet scandal without those terms being thrown around.

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Gosh, what's all these misogyny and sexism accusations? Wouldn't be an internet scandal without those terms being thrown around.
Amen to that. Now if men like to look at naked women it is called misogyny and sexism, but if women take pictures of themselves totally naked in front of a mirror and upload them to the net or pose in the thousands of erotic pages that can be found around internet is an act of personal freedom, always the same.


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The reaction I´ve seen in numerous venues is of the sort of "it´s her fault for taking nude pics", that to me is misogynist. And these comments are from both men and women...
And the women posting naked pics on sites, as long as is their choice is an act of personal freedom. These celebs didn´t choose to have the pics made public.

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Amen to that. Now if men like to look at naked women it is called misogyny and sexism, but if women take pictures of themselves totally naked in front of a mirror and upload them to the net or pose in the thousands of erotic pages that can be found around internet is an act of personal freedom, always the same.
I honestly don't see how either of these can be used as a point of comparison. To the first part of your statement, men looking at naked pictures is not always misogyny but if these pictures are hacked pictures and men continue to look at them knowing that, then I'm afraid that it is. To the second half, of course it is an act of personal freedom. The naked body isn't merely used as a tool to sexually arose men or women in fact. There are multiple reasons why both men and women upload pictures of themselves naked.

I don't see how the fact that this is a sexist act can be denied. It is either a lone male hacker or a group of male hackers stealing and leaking nude pictures of women. It is a violation and humiliating for the women no matter how comfortably they may or may not be with their sexuality. The only pictures that had men were those that featured other women who were more often than not naked. It is preposterous to even suggest that women are the only gender that take nude pictures so why didn't they leak the pictures of men?

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i think the average man wouldn't steal personal photos of a woman and publish them on internet even if they could, but if they put in front of your nose a naked picture of one of the most desired women at the moment like Jennifer Lawrence i don't think there are many men that couldn't resist. I don't see any misogyny or sexism on it, it is just human nature. I'm not defendig stealing personal pictures in any way, but people who watch them don't do it because thay are mysogynist or sexist, i'm sure many of the people who have posted in this thread have watched the leaked photos.


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Gosh, what's all these misogyny and sexism accusations? Wouldn't be an internet scandal without those terms being thrown around.
i used the word only the once and i was speaking more about the issue of some online porn, the kind of images that pop up on streams or image-uploaders.

i wasn't referring to the leaked photos. with regards to those, i said people need to think before they post, because we all know leaks have happened before AND that the line between public/private is blurry. common sense, or even going by past occurrences, should prevail here.

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