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Vanity Fair is writing the expose on all this dramz as we speak (hopefully) -- fashion week gossip hasn't been this openly scandalous in years. And usually it just involved a model getting arrested or beating someone up.
I've got to read this!

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Holy crap.

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hope he recovers!

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Carine, Galliano, and now Decarnin crashing out all in the space of 3 months or so?! There's DEF something amiss in Paris specifically and fashion in general. I wonder what's going on in Paris' fashion culture that's causing so much shade? It seems primarily a Paris thing so far.

These designers have definitely had the expectations ratcheted up on them in the past few years. They're expected to trot out innovative and relevant collections/accessories every 3 months, please the editors AND the interwebz, and be able to lay golden eggs each time. All this so people can have more stuff to buy that most can't really afford. The speed at which all this has happened had left the whole industry in flux really, but the designers have to deal w/ it most intimately.

While I wish nothing but good for M. Decarnin, maybe this whole disastrous Paris Fashion Week had to happen and may ultimately do some good. Fashion really needs to look at itself on so many levels and really consider what's happening. The industry has been in denial about so many things for so long....maybe this is the "come to Jesus" moment long looming?

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Whether he's in hospital or just at home resting I hope he gets better. My thoughts go out to him.

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except for those with outsized personalities -- think tom ford, miuccia prada, karl lagerfeld, etc -- the world of fashion remains quite a taxing one.

Yes, although, I think even Tom Ford has been known to struggle?

There is an artist's temperament within Ford, too - he just does a very good job of concealing it with all the showmanship!

I think what you need to be, to be able to survive, is slightly cold and you also need to have the ability to detach completely?

That's what Karl has, IMO. Despite his virtual omnipotence in the fashion world, he still almost seems to be a perpetual observer of fashion, looking in; rather than allowing himself to be engulfed by it.

Even more than Karl, I think Miuccia Prada is very analytical and almost scientific about the whole thing - you get the feeling she almost concocts fashion in a test tube, rather than throwing herself and her emotions into the maelstrom.

Karl and Miuccia's antithesis would be YSL - who lived and breathed fashion and who was, regularly, consumed by it.


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^^^ well said.

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That`s why the F/W `11 collection wasn`t that great. What`s happening to Paris Fashion. Shake-ups, breakdowns & axing?

I hope Christopher gets back soon

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Both Lagerfeld and Prada came to prominence rather late in their lives/careers. Both were around 50 (give or take) when the media glare came calling. Decarnin, like Galliano/McQueen/and many before and current w/ him, came to be in the spotlight VERY early in his career. This makes a VERY big difference when comparing these people examining why they (Lagerfeld and Prada) seem to handle this better than others. (I have my doubts about these two personally, but I'll assume they are handling this better for the sake of the discussion) Not only are these folks all individuals that bring whatever baggage they have to the table, they also are at different levels of maturity. Both Lagerfeld and Prada had the time and privacy to develop themselves personally/professionally and make mistakes outside of the media gaze. Most designers that came to editorial prominence in the 90s forward didn't have that luxury. They were bombarded w/ (mostly) undeserved praise and (mostly) too harsh criticism before they had any real perspective and the maturity to weed thru the fashion BS machine. IOW they lacked the advantages that Karl and Miuccia enjoyed in their youth.

Frankly I never thought Decarnin (along w/ a few more of these new "sensations" we get every few years) was ready for "prime time". He seemed more of an editor's hope and desire to play kingmaker than a true design prodigy IMHO. They were being pushed too far and too fast to feed the fashion world's insatiable need to have the "new" and the young no matter how raw they are (even if genuinely talented)...not to mention the pushing of the untalented as well just to fill pages and stores w/.......... stuff.

This trend all reminds of me of the days of Christian Francis Roth, young Isaac Mizrahi, and Stephen Sprouse....should we be surprised when these young sensations crash and burn under the circumstances?! Young talent needs to "season" before being made a main dish. Decarnin is just the latest (tho it's become far too frequent in these times) to prove the old truism, "you don't serve a wine before it's time".


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^^ Lagerfeld has been in fashion since the age of 17! and, like he says, the exposure to the media was not a big pressure then, but the conditions in which the whole industry worked were quite frankly "sordid". Long long long long hours of work, painstaking, dictatorial and so on.
We can't just say "poor designers"! they know what they get into, and they sure are willing to accept all the additional perks that come with the job. Galliano lives in a mansion in the center of Paris for fashion's sake!! Lavish inspirational trips to India, high salaries, assistants everywhere...
they should perhaps invest more in their mental health and less in the palpable advantages of their job

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^^^You've missed my point completely. Karl Lagerfeld worked behind the scenes up until he took over Chanel for all intents and purposes. He got to mature as a person and hone his craft before becoming a superstar . He was NOT handed a fashion label at a super young age nor did he design under his own name until much later....that makes a huge difference. It says less about him than the times he operated in during his development. In short, he was NOT subjected to the scrutiny that later designers faced during their earliest years . Obviously every era has it's negative issues, but I wasn't talking about that. I'm talking specifically about the role of the media in playing kingmaker whilst looking for "the next big thing". Karl had his challenges and the new gen has theirs...some are the same, but others are different in nature. That doesn't imply that I pity these designers, methinks.

Only Yves Saint Laurent from Lagerfeld's gen experienced anything like what modern designers do...and look at how that worked out. I doubt he anticipated his horrific Dior tenure and subsequent events when he took the job. The personal costs to him were great, but a singular case from that era. Now it's all too common.

I'm not so sure these people know what they're getting into either. What they dream of and what they get are often two different things, I suspect. How could they really know until they get there? People never know what they can handle and how well until they're in the thick of it. "Poor designers"...not a bit of it. However it's too easy to sit up and assume that it's all down simply to what an individual wants vs the realities of the system they enter.d


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I'm so sorry for him, it sounds really bad. I hope he get better soon

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decarnin always seemed bit fragile. of course mental illness is not to be joked about, hope he finds a way to deal with the problems.

i always felt one needs to be a bit anti-fashion to work in fashion, or any industry really. the ability to be involved but not engulfed, is a very fine line. one needs to be able to laugh at one self and the industry they work in. but of course, the pressure from authority don't make doing that easier.

i agree karl and muiccia are two high profile fashion personalities who had managed to do a good job at balancing. karl, in a way pretty much became a caricature of himself, and that disguise probably help him get detached from the media. muiccia never seemed to wear her heart on her sleeves, and like chloehandbags said, she concocts fashion in test tubes.

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Has he "gone mad"? Well, no, because he's not a character in a Victorian melodrama, he's a real person spending some time in a specialised environment getting the help he needs, but describing things in a reasonable way doesn't create good headlines.

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