[Thefrenchy]

^ I'll PM you because I'm afraid it'll be considered off topic

[tigerrouge]

A lot of people in history have been very lucky they didn't live at a time when their every move was easily recorded by innumerable people and instantly transmitted for the world to see. Information about their failings, their frailties, and their infidelities was suppressed, so an airbrushed picture of their moral superiority has passed into history as the accepted story.

So I imagine that a good number of those other people awarded the Legion d'Honneur... it's not that they never had addictions or outbursts or prejudiced mentalities, it's that they were never caught at their low points, or when they were truly speaking their minds.

[TianSoFine]

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Originally Posted by tigerrouge So I imagine that a good number of those other people awarded the Legion d'Honneur... it's not that they never had addictions or outbursts or prejudiced mentalities, it's that they were never caught at their low points, or when they were truly speaking their minds.

I think that's a good point you raise.

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Originally Posted by Thefrenchy Referring to what happened in Algeria as a genocide can be quite questionable, actually.

The French government seems to deny this but in other parts of the world (like Canada), they teach that it's a genocide, plain and simple. But the legion is awarded by the French government so I guess it doesn't matter.

[dsamg]

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Originally Posted by Littleathquakes are you seriously trying to link a drunken tirade to the Holocaust People act differently when they're under the influence of alcohol. That's not an excuse for what he did. But to accuse him of being a closeted racist whose drunken outburst speaks of his true character is absurd. Those actions under the influence certainly do not characterize any person in his normal state. And considering Galliano comes from Jewish lineage, that's even more absurd.

Sorry but I know what stupid things people say when they are drunk but not full on hate speech and NOT that they love Hitler. Everybody acts differently under the influence of alcohol but generally people do not say racist things like that unless they already believe it on some level. A big part for me was that he could say those things to Italians. Just think of how many Italians there are in the fashion industry, whether he was drunk or not it is so incredibly offensive for him to say what he said.

[iluvjeisa]

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Originally Posted by dsamg Sorry but I know what stupid things people say when they are drunk but not full on hate speech and NOT that they love Hitler. Everybody acts differently under the influence of alcohol but generally people do not say racist things like that unless they already believe it on some level. A big part for me was that he could say those things to Italians. Just think of how many Italians there are in the fashion industry, whether he was drunk or not it is so incredibly offensive for him to say what he said.

You're interpreting what he said literally. But it's possible, and I think more likely, that he tried to scare these people off, or shut them up.

[TREVOFASHIONISTO]

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Originally Posted by ParadEyes I guess governments control what history they teach in schools.

the sad thing is they do, but i am getting off topic

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Originally Posted by Thefrenchy Being fired and fined equals spending months locked up in prison?! That's a good one! Gosh, the things you read here... Also, SO WHAT if he doesn't find another job that is well-paid? I don't get the issue here? As someone ironically said in this thread "poor Galliano who made millions for years"! Probably won't be able to pay the electricity bill and feed his cat!

sorry to have gotten you so worked up about this i am just stating how i feel. I guess some of us only see things in black & white

[WerbowyStegner]

He'd be killed during Hitler's reign too , since he's homosexual , I doubt he meant what he said.. and if he did ..

[LUXXX]

I think it's a little silly to do this, to be honest. And that's all I have to say about it. He got the honor for a specific reason and it's not like everyone else who receives it has been a saint.

[lucy92]

these awards can be rescinded at any time by the government. for instance, gary barlow's OBE (similar to the Legion d'Honneur in france) may be stripped pending a tax evasion investigation in the UK...

[tigerrouge]

And then all the politicians who have structured their entire careers around similarly legal forms of tax reduction will line up to make statements condemning Gary's actions.

Pointing the finger at one person certainly helps to direct public attention away from the corners of society where certain acts are being committed on a much larger scale.

[Jacque Marcel]

He will always be known, for a while at least, as disgraced designer John Galliano. We live in a time where information is instant and easily accessible. The videos of him saying those awful things will never go away. I don't think he can start over without this issue coming up. It's unfortunate but he made his bed.

[Littleathquakes]

Not really. Chanel was practically sleeping with the Nazis and look at how immortal she's become. Talent > scandal, despite what people with deep seeded hate for him (ironic) would rather see.

[fashionista-ta]

^ I haven't seen any evidence of hate for Galliano. Disgust or revulsion, perhaps.

I think Coco Chanel is remembered as an innovator and important influencer, a major personality and perhaps a genius ... but not as a good person.

[Littleathquakes]

^ maybe you should review the events. Dismissed from Dior, check. Dismissed from his own label, check. Fined, check. And now this. This has gone on beyond punishment for the crime. They hate him, and they won't be happy until he's gone from this earth.

[fashionista-ta]

^ It's already been clearly explained that the fine and this action were legally mandated. That isn't hate, it's justice.

Regarding his dismissal, can you give me an example of a high-ranking designer, executive, anyone prominent in the public eye in the same region who has kept his/her job after doing something similar? That's not hate, it's simple cause/effect, and the natural and logical desire to distance a huge brand from extremely undesireable/unattractive behavior.

Additionally, Dior may well have been aware of other things that weren't so well publicized, and have been prepared to do what was necessary should something become public. You and I have no way of knowing what else they may have been able to hush up successfully prior to this, or whether this behavior was part of a pattern.