The Model & Celeb Weight Thread [Read post #1 before posting] #1

[ruthie]

^I thought it was an interesting read, too, especially since she was formerly a model, and mentioned there were problems in the industry, even several decades ago.

You're welcome!

[sbey]

Thanks Ruthie.

Oh dear, curious to know more about Cleo after reading what I thought was a good article I came across this:

http://www.glossedover.com/glossed_o...claire_ed.html

[Zen]

^ hmm...interesting...

[gia0202]

this is the agency's fault. why entice girls that are naturally too big to model? that really needs to change.

[Pulp Fiction]

Originally Posted by gia0202

i think jennifer looks amazing cuz she is soo toned. also, i think she is only a size 6--but the tv exaggerates her curves (like beyonce). i don't even see how she is considered on the full side. she appears to be right in the middle.

i agree ! i also like that the models of her fashion shows aren't too skinny.

[brokenenglish]

Originally Posted by gia0202

this is the agency's fault. why entice girls that are naturally too big to model? that really needs to change.

So at what weight are you not able to put on a pretty dress and walk a straight line?....
Or stare into a camera?....

I think the idea that models need to be tiny needs to change.

[gia0202]

actually--the reason why designers prefer thin models is because the audence is able to view all the details of the cut without the line of the body interfering. it drapes over these girls like hangers. if you ever need illustration for that point, just look at the thread when celebs wear runway looks. it si eye-opening. models are not meant to be pretty and dresses are not necesarily made to accentuate the feminine appeal of women. high fashion , imo, is about artistic statements. this is hard to accomplish when the audence cannot even examine clearly the details of the design.
not everybody is a good runner, dancer, singer, etc---not everyone should even try to do highfashion. it really isn't a big deal. there are bigger things to aspire to.
lastly, it isn't about being tiny. it is about being slim, with specific proportions and being very tall. this has been true since the birth of modern fashion. i think the problem is that people elvat the status of models, instead of women taking on other positions in the industry--editors, corporate execs, directors, designers, etc. male models are expected to have bodies most men could never achieve. what is the difference?

[xmodel citizen]

Originally Posted by gia0202

this is the agency's fault. why entice girls that are naturally too big to model? that really needs to change.

Er, it's not that simple. Let's take Natalia Vodianova as an example. She starts modeling as a teenager and eventually becomes a top model. Then, she grows up, has a baby and becomes a woman. Except, part of being a woman and having a baby is that your body changes. You metabolism slows down as you age, and having a baby changes your body's shape and appearance. So now she has a a couple extra inches on her hips. She can't just quit modeling. Her agency doesn't want her to quit because she has some pricey contracts. She has a new baby and a husband, and a family to support. I don't know if you've ever raised a child, but they're expensive. Not every mother can afford to just quit her job.

So there's the dillemma. She can't just stop modeling because she needs to take care of her family. Nor can she lose the weight naturally because her body won't allow it. Now, put yourself in that position. It's either starve yourself or starve your family. Most women would choose the latter.

That's the problem, they're forcing girls, who like Natalia often come from impoverished backgrounds to make these unhealthy decisions over whopping 37 inch hips.

[*Bianca*]

I think the idea that models need to be tiny needs to change.

^agreed
that is exactly what needs to change.

[gia0202]

what is intersting about natalia is that her hips werenever 37. according to her own reports, her waist went up to 27-28 inches. i think its especially aproblem then cuz hse can't even move onto commercial modeling. also, natalia is stil making money becasue those size restictions are more importnat on runways vs. ad cmapaigns.
you're right the issue si so complex. btu i think it starts with people realizing being a model isn;t that amazing, adn for girls to gain the knwolege necessary to understand its not their only option in the industry. i am TIRED of so many people stressing over measurements and killing themselves for WHAT? nothing.as women, we shoudl be striving for positions of real influence, not voiceless mannequins. also, the industry needs to stop seeking out ipoverished women from s. america and eastern europe. it is sadistic. maybe they shoudl focus their efforts on areas where poeple nturally look liek that--- for instance, east africa, holland, etc.

[xmodel citizen]

^ Yeah, I just looked up her measurements and she was 33-27-34. I can't imagine someone telling a girl with 34 inch hips that she was too big! That's tiny! And her proportions still look fine, it's utter madness. I wonder if Karl got joy out of telling her to lose more from her waist.

[gia0202]

mot women that size have a waist 4 inches smaller. she looks boxy--but that is ok.. cuz many fabulous women have boysih frames. but her waist was pro aly brutal to cut around unless the dress was real loose in the torso. its odd. karl doesn;t mind when girls are bigger, since it designs don't require it. he used anja before she lost weight. loved claudia schiffer when she was over 140 and a size 8. i think it depends on the girl.

[brokenenglish]

^ Didn't Karl get tons of flack after a quite slim model said she was told by him to loose weight?

view all the details of the cut without the line of the body interfering

Then I guess it's never meant to be on a body?...
If that's the case these designers should stick the dresses in a frame and hang them like art...

[TheGlassAngel]

^ Was that Kim noorda?

[gia0202]

i thin its is jsut easier to examine the pipeces for exhibitions and shows. besides--i reallydon't see why poepel are soo worked about model's being thin? i am being serious. i hear women complaing about these thin women, but considering america keeps getting fatter nad fatter, it must not be be infleuncing their eating habits/health. obesity is the biggest problem in the developed world, yet no one talks about healthy role models to curb that. roughly 15-30 percent of all americans have binge eating/uncontrollable eating problems.