The Model & Celeb Weight Thread [Read post #1 before posting] #1

[brokenenglish]

Originally Posted by static

I hate the term "real woman". Since when does skinny=fake??

When it's achieved through the means that many of the models are achieving it. Not all, but you know it's likely most.

[ShoeGal4Eva]

Originally Posted by pale green witch

But Cleo Glyde *did* say that she collapsed from her diet!

oh ok,i must have missed that part then
p.s. love your avvie(big sylvia plath fan here )

[*Bianca*]

I don't understand what dictates a 'real body' or 'womanly figure.' To me, a 'womanly figure' is any figure that any woman has--it shouldn't be limited to one certain size or shape.

I can't stand the term 'real body' too.

But, and it may just be me, I see 'womanly' as different though. I see it as the same as if I showed you a body with a completely flat chest and a body with C cups - the flat chest would appear more pre-pubescent and the bustier body would seem more 'womanly' despite the fact that there are millions of grown women in the world who can't fill out an A cup. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing though, it just 'is'. I mean, we all learn growing up that when a girl's body develops into a woman's the body shape changes - the hips widen and breasts develop, because well, that's usually what happens - so for a figure that is curvy with wide hips to be deemed 'womanly' (even if just 'classicaly') over a figure that is of the opposite shape, it seems kind of fitting to me.

[KhaoticKharma]

I am certainly not trying to make anyone who looks a certain way feel like they aren't a woman- women do come in all shapes and sizes. But certain physical aspects are deemed womanly, always will. Salma Hayek has a womanly physique, Cameron Diaz does not. But Cameron- a beautiful, talented and mature lady- is just as much of a woman as Salma is. Just with a boyish physique.

Thats my take on it.

[xmodel citizen]

^^ Ther Dove "real beauty" thing had nothing to do with weight. It was aimed at the fact that they're using young, skinny women to advertise anti-cellulite cream.

Some of the other Dove "real beauty" ads showed grown women in their 50s and 60s, nude (albeit completely covered) with the tagline "TOO OLD TO SELL ANTI-WRINKLE CREAM".

[static]

I read an article on the man responsible for casting the Dove "Real Beauty" campaign earlier today. He seemed to understand that, while woman of all ages and sizes aren't about to appear on the Paris runways, it's refreshing to see something more attainable for most women in a beauty campaign. And apparently sales have increased 700%

...but that doesn't negate my dislike for the term "real woman"

[Uchina]

"You're perfect the way you are! Now, buy our firming cream!"

Ugh. I was hoping women would have the brains to see the hypocrisy, but it looks like I'm the only one.

[iJustWalk.]

i really dislike the Dove campaign for some reason...

[gia0202]

i think the root of the problem is that women have been convinced that being beautiful is sooo important. in reality--the girls in the dove campaign looked very average or somewhat out of shape. there is a big difference between them and jlo, beyonce, or so many other medium sized beauty icons.
as lovers of fashion ( a visual art form), shouldn't we see that:
1. not all people are aesthetically pleasing
2. that is fine because the so much beauty is achieved through artful presentation. that includes hair, clothing, interesting makeup.

most of the girls in the dior couture shows aren't that pretty, but they look beautiful then.

[seanutbutter]

Originally Posted by Uchina

"You're perfect the way you are! Now, buy our firming cream!"

Ugh. I was hoping women would have the brains to see the hypocrisy, but it looks like I'm the only one.

You're not the only one--I definitely see something odd about those campaigns.

[seanutbutter]

Seventeen magazine's take on the "skinny model" situation, from the May issue.


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[Annapolis]

Interesting article seanutbutter, thanks for sharing!

[Karin]

Yeah, thanks! Very interesting.

[milamar]

^^Thanks for the article, seanutbutter. I guess it shows he most efficient way to prevent possible negative effects of the "zero size" trend, e.g. EDs and low self-esteem, as bans probably won't work anyway. Instead I think it's good that magazines for young women show that losing weight and becoming extra-skinny isn't the only way to become & feel successful and pretty, even in the world of fashion. I like that "be good to yourself" approach.

[xmodel citizen]

Originally Posted by Uchina

"You're perfect the way you are! Now, buy our firming cream!"

Ugh. I was hoping women would have the brains to see the hypocrisy, but it looks like I'm the only one.

Just because you love yourself doesn't mean you love your cellulite. You can be comfortable and happy with yourself, but still want to improve your appearance. I think the whole point was, they're using images of 5'11", 120 pound girls to market products to grown women, that those models don't even need. Why do they use teenage girls to sell wrinkle cream? That's hypocritcal and pointless.

EDIT: I think Seventeen does a great job. They use real girls to model clothing. So if they're talking about what looks good on a petite figure, they use a girl who's 5'2". I think that's great because it gives you a real idea of what something might look like on a girl of your height, shape or size.