The Model & Celeb Weight Thread [Read post #1 before posting] #1

[Fontenrose]

Originally Posted by ms-nietzsche

I see your point, but from an economic point of view it really isn't a two-edged sword. Why not put D-list actors on covers? The public, god knows why, like paying attention to the likes of Paris and Lindsay. It's a bad position for models, and it's getting worse, but how much the corporate machine takes that into account is little.

Maybe the agencies are content with models being complete non-entities. Maybe the models are OK with that to keep their privacy. It must be a bit tempting to go after some of the minor-celebrity money though.

Smokebreak said [#9070]:

I just want to point out that this works perfectly for the models themselves. Models aren't celebrities, this is great. This means they have a separation from their employment and they're allowed to be people. Being a celebrity isn't a job, it's their person. Being a celebrity means your life and who you think you are as a person is open for public display and grab. Nobody enjoys that aspect. People in the fashion industry say all the time "models don't get famous anymore" and we breathe a sigh of relief. It works to everyone's advantage in the fashion industry.
Yes of course I'm a person, obviously, but in the way I think you mean, you're right. They don't want our individuality put out there to the public for anything more than weak amusement at most. They want the fashion to be the star of the show, we're fashion models. On the runway we're clothes racks. Coat hangers. Clones. Whatever you want to call it and it works.
-Of course there are some current models who buy into the supermodel persona and they need to be bludgeoned in the head from time to time but that's besides the point-
as far as exploited and encouraged to starve goes, well.. that's just as tragically poetic as saying we're all rich because we have nice clothes. That victimizing, vicious, slave driving "stay thin to win" theory is just as exaggerated as any other glamorized aspect of what comes with being a model.

[karen sofie]

Originally Posted by papa_levante

Please make sure you read up on information before accusing someone of sharing falsities, karen sofie.

Thank you for sharing that source, Bianca.

ok, my bad, sorry

[papa_levante]

ok, my bad, sorry

No, it's totally fine! It's just that many people don't get their facts straight and just blurt out what they believe to be true instead of what is.

We all mess up sometimes!

[Fontenrose]

The Danes are the latest to come to the rescue of too-skinny models — albeit about two years after everyone else.

The Danish Fashion Institute, or DAFI — which includes the brands Noa Noa, Georg Jensen, Jens Laugesen and Elite Models among its members — has joined forces with an eating-disorder organization to draw up industry guidelines geared toward promoting the well-being of Danish models. Also, posters have gone up around Copenhagen featuring slogans such as "Eating Is the New Black" and "The Weight of Your Worth Is Not Measured in Kilos."

WWD subscription required

can anyone produce the rest of the article or the posters? doubt if this will work. wonder what would? probably an ultra-thin model who has documented what her agency said to her about weight while she was under 18, and then showed a U.S. court ten years later that she had the bone density of a 90 yr old. names, dates, bone scans. maybe. play dumb about the hints. get recording. voila, retirement fund?

[Ciyvk]

Originally Posted by LUXXX

Well Nicole Richie never did but then again she isn't 5'10 at her old weight...

Losing your period has to do with body fat percentage vs. thinness. A girl can look like death but as long she has a certain amount of fat she'll menstruate. I'm not entirely sure but fat is needed to produce steroids(sex hormones).

[brokenenglish]

And who is to say she didn't?...

We have all just learned ( or already knew) you don't need a period to get pregnant.

[iluvjeisa]

^I think you're right. Except steroids are lipids. What is needed is estrogen, important female hormone, which is produced by fat cells.

[Fontenrose]

She probably started eating more if she wanted to get pregnant. All it takes is one ovulation. wonder if she's bothering to breastfeed.

[brokenenglish]

She was spotted buying a breast pump.

I would think she would breastfeed. Everyone is always saying how it helps get the baby weight off and I am sure she is concerned with that.

[Fontenrose]

I hope so. It's one time you can eat tons and lose weight. Especially if the baby is a good feeder, like a lot of boy babies. They like the breast right from the beginning!

Good for the baby, but it's hard and lots give up too soon.

[karen sofie]

Originally Posted by papa_levante

No, it's totally fine! It's just that many people don't get their facts straight and just blurt out what they believe to be true instead of what is.

We all mess up sometimes!

you're perfectly right, and yes, we are all human afterall and that allows us(me) to make flaws but being a human being also puts us(me) in the obligation of correcting them, since we have the advanced brain to do it, unlike animals for an example Did that make sense at all?

[iJustWalk.]

Originally Posted by Fontenrose

They like the breast right from the beginning!

[ms-nietzsche]

Originally Posted by Fontenrose

Maybe the agencies are content with models being complete non-entities. Maybe the models are OK with that to keep their privacy. It must be a bit tempting to go after some of the minor-celebrity money though.

Smokebreak said [#9070]:

I'm not sure I totally understand your point, but I'm assuming that you're trying to refute my claim models losing prestige (I never said they were "complete non-entities") puts them in a bad position. If models still had their prestige in the age of the glamazons, the agencies/industry wouldn't have been able to exploit them the way they are exploited now in terms of weight. It's been said that many times that famous/big models such as KK, Adriana, Daria (?), Gemma and whoever else has been mentioned are "allowed" to gain weight because they've reached a certain status where they have enough prestige that gaining one pound isn't going to threaten their careers.

[Fontenrose]

Actually I am just trying to draw out some more discussion on this issue. I find your points and Smokebreak's to be very interesting.

[gia0202]

Originally Posted by xmodel citizen

Look at Flavia, Selita and Izabel. They are as skinny as any HF runway model only with plastic looking body parts. While VS may have once been known for having the "hottest" bodies, I certainly don't think they are anymore.

I also found this interesting:

http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums...ml#post4002473

I posted pics of Christy Turlington just a few pages back and she looks positively voltupuous compared to most runway models today but she was still very thin and tiny. I find it odd that standards could change so much in just a short while where now Christy is "curvy" and Laeticia Casta is "fat".

that is why i replied that she was not bigger than today's models. she is jsut curvier. Most models today have boysish shapes. that has nothign to do with their size. women who are naturally curvy will be so even if they are a sz 2. For some reason, designers prefer a rectangular body shape to the hourglass.