The Model & Celeb Weight Thread [Read post #1 before posting] #1

[model_mom]

All this crap about the agencies/clients not calling the shots is just a bunch of bulls**t. You lose the weight or you don't work. You cut your hair that you love just because they think your new look will open doors for you this season. You go into debt to buy clothes to wear to castings because they don't like what you have,then you take those clothes off on a chance that a certain sleazy photographer might use you in a campaign he's shooting. You let underage models "network" at nightclubs just in case they might make the right contacts. I could go on and on but when you tell me that an agency is looking out for the welfare of their models, I have to differ with you! You're right when you say...."They have the choice to walk away." but very few of them do. Most are in debt up to their neck and with a threat to "send you home if you don't do as we say" hanging over you....you just keep on taking their "advice" and praying that you will book that one big job that will make you a star or at least leave you breaking even. Name me one other industry in this country that allowes 15,16 or 17 year olds to work under this kind of pressure.

[sethii]

^ just circus kids and soldiers probably.

[catherinef89]

Re COACD's blog, excuse me?

[smartarse]

Originally Posted by Patches

His statement was extremely uncalled for and in bad taste which just shows his character, or lack there-of.

The interesting part, that I find, is that his question about Ali wasnt included in the original version of the post he posted. Originally at the end he mentioned something about it being a choice and alluding to the fact that she brought this upon herself and should get off the court if she cant handle the heat. Soon there after he edited his post and left the question. I wish I would have screen-capped the original!

Douglas' question was hurtful.
but let's not kid ourselves... the truth always hurts.
However, he did have a valid question.

[MissAnia]

model_mom is so right. thank you for your post

[model_mom]

Thank you^^^


You're right when you say that if someone's a star for a season or two that they aren't going to speak up because you and I know damn well that you are not going to cut off the hand that feeds you.....and isn't that a shame? They come out of the woodwork after the fact but it's a brave thing this yound lady is doing even if it just changes one person's mind about how warped the industry has become.

[Patches]

Originally Posted by smartarse

Douglas' question was hurtful.
but let's not kid ourselves... the truth always hurts.
However, he did have a valid question.

I think it kind of goes besides the point if the original statement he posted was meant to express that he thinks that Ali just has a sour taste in her mouth and thus no justification at all....and then decides to change the straight forward tone of his (maybe because he was in doubt/fear of being so direct) by rather replacing his original statement with a 'question' that he obviously already has answered in his own mind. With the context of his previous words that came first, his questioning of Ali clearly wasnt meant as much to be a valid question but rather a snarky closeted and hurtful conclusive remark made on his part.

The two-faced tone and meaning of expression is what really bothers me.
Its ok for him to have his opinion. In fact he is entitled to it. But if in fact he was going to state that he doesnt support Ali and her words, why not come out and state it straight up rather then masking malicious and spiteful subcontexts and meanings in 'questions'.

[MissAnia]

Ali Michael is my current hero. She's so brave and I am so happy that she tells the truth.

[catherinef89]

The anonymous, cracking voices on the COACD blog further sadden me.

ontd_fashinfags has been discussing Ali (and other models) and eating disorders/disordered eating in the industry context. To quote myself:

EDs and their roots are multifaceted. . . . Genetic predisposition loaded her gun; the fashion industry pulled her trigger.

[kimair]

Originally Posted by smartarse

Douglas' question was hurtful.
but let's not kid ourselves... the truth always hurts.

doesn't it though...
and look, ali is stating the truth...
the truth about what is going on while others just look the other way...

Originally Posted by patches

The two-faced tone and meaning of expression is what really bothers me.
Its ok for him to have his opinion. In fact he is entitled to it. But if in fact he was going to state that he doesnt support Ali and her words, why not come out and state it straight up rather then masking malicious and spiteful subcontexts and meanings in 'questions'.

i completely agree with you...
it's clear that his first post was the way he really felt...
so why remove that and post something that sounds more "likeable" and pose it as a "question?"
it's a cowardly move if you ask me...

thank you so much model_mom for your post...insightful as always...
ali is lucky that her mom has been able to be there for her, support her at shows, etc. not many models have that (chanel iman comes to mind)...
they have adults looking out for their best interests...
many other models don't have that, they don't feel they can talk to anyone but other models...
essentially these are children/teenagers, and they need someone to look out for them...

[catherinef89]

Originally Posted by model_mom

All this crap about the agencies/clients not calling the shots is just a bunch of bulls**t. You lose the weight or you don't work. You cut your hair that you love just because they think your new look will open doors for you this season. You go into debt to buy clothes to wear to castings because they don't like what you have,then you take those clothes off on a chance that a certain sleazy photographer might use you in a campaign he's shooting. You let underage models "network" at nightclubs just in case they might make the right contacts. I could go on and on but when you tell me that an agency is looking out for the welfare of their models, I have to differ with you! You're right when you say...."They have the choice to walk away." but very few of them do. Most are in debt up to their neck and with a threat to "send you home if you don't do as we say" hanging over you....you just keep on taking their "advice" and praying that you will book that one big job that will make you a star or at least leave you breaking even. Name me one other industry in this country that allowes 15,16 or 17 year olds to work under this kind of pressure.

Well-said! +1 karma.

[smartarse]

Originally Posted by Patches

I think it kind of goes besides the point if the original statement he posted was meant to express that he thinks that Ali just has a sour taste in her mouth and thus no justification at all....and then decides to change the straight forward tone of his (maybe because he was in doubt/fear of being so direct) by rather replacing his original statement with a 'question' that he obviously already has answered in his own mind. With the context of his previous words that came first, his questioning of Ali clearly wasnt meant as much to be a valid question but rather a snarky closeted and hurtful conclusive remark made on his part.

The two-faced tone and meaning of expression is what really bothers me.
Its ok for him to have his opinion. In fact he is entitled to it. But if in fact he was going to state that he doesnt support Ali and her words, why not come out and state it straight up rather then masking malicious and spiteful subcontexts and meanings in 'questions'.

i did not read Doug's original blog but for him to edit, which i do alot myself in here, is not for fear, per se, but to give more of an unbiased question by asking the "audience" to asked him/herself "would she or wouldnt she .... " and let the audience come up with that answer themselves.

*he did make a good point and a valid one that in [fashion] reality that a new batch of girls are in town, younger and hungrier. and it is this point i made few months ago about Paris where Ali unfortunately had to fly back home.

[smartarse]

Originally Posted by kimair

doesn't it though...
and look, ali is stating the truth...
the truth about what is going on while others just look the other way...


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i think the truth on both sides do hurt. for the model the reality of the industry. there are so many models , far too many new faces in Development, for replacements in a very small industry.

The fault for designers are taking interests in younger models with thin built. and the truth hurts in that respect if one will call on it.

[cutxpaste]

douglass perret needs to gtfo

[iperlchen]

I wonder how many 14 to 21-year-old girls/women would walk away on their own when their agents tell them each day they can become a star if they make some alterations. Which starting model doesn't dream of that? Keep in mind it's always credible people with prestigious resumes that make those requests to lose weight. So they're the most trustworthy people in the business that have actually made stars that way before. Now who would walk away? You'd be mad.
I also remember someone making a very relevant point a while ago that kids/teens are raised to obey to adults. Parents, teachers, employers.... agents, designers, editors?

Needless to say I am as touched by Ali as anyone else.. I am very curious how her career will evolve. Sure, some clients are gonna drop, but she shouldn't be worried about that. What I think is interesting is that she's just called a new kind of allure over herself, possibly making her a logical choice for jobs (not necessarily Vogue, Calvin Klein or Chanel) she would not have booked earlier. She represents many good qualities, eloquence, intelligence, character, she's no longer anonymous. I can totally see some parties crowning her as the New All-American Girl every girl should aspire to.
Moreover, how amazing would it be if someone like Ali got a job on the responsible side in the industry?

What I think is sad though, is that I'm sure a lot of 'responsibles' are gonna hide their support of Ali's points because it goes against the grain of the current system. If you think about it, in essence, they are in the exact same position as all those aspiring stars. Obeying to the people above them and adopting their standards and moral values in hopes of realizing their dreams. The only difference being that they don't put their bodies in jeopardy.