The Model & Celeb Weight Thread [Read post #1 before posting] #1

[Patches]

Also, knowing for a fact that the girls are getting 'younger and hungrier' still does not give even the slightest justification to the facts of consequences and outlook to the situation. Just because something proves to be a fact doesn't make it automatically correlated with being moral,righteous, nor acceptable.

[smartarse]

i think both sides are highly emotional right now...

it is sad to hear a young girl making herself sick to keep up with demands of adults [parents, designers, CDs, agents ] ...
it's easy to blame the industry.
it's easy to blame the model.
but i think it should come down to the parents who should open their daughter's eyes. the one person/s who they most trust. but if the girl is afraid to disappoint the parent she will go to the extreme to hurt herself for the sake of pleasing. Parents should tell their model daughter, have fun for yourself not for others. i think it should be instilled not just in modeling but in other interests the child might take up.

[model_mom]

What about the ones without a parent? Then the agencies hit the jackpot....no one to ask question when a 15 year old works 12 hours straight or runs up a bill to the agency and they in their naive way think it's all free and no one tells them any different till they book a $2000.00 dollar job and find out that their take is $250.00 and the balance belongs to the agency or better yet if you don't lose the weight we're shipping you home and you owe us X amount of dollars.

[foreverandnone]

My friend's agency flew her to Milan and she booked nothing, and then agency told her that since she didn't get any jobs she didn't have to pay them back.....

[smartarse]

no reputable agency would sign a 15 yr old girl without a parents consent.

[model_mom]

Some parents will sign the consent and then turn their 15/16 year old child over to a "reputable" agency that "promises" to take full responsibility for their daughter....but guess what... most of them give you a map, a subway token and you're on your own.

[smartarse]

i can't believe any responsible parent would turn over their daughter and agreed to let anyone, for that matter, take full responsibility for their daughter at the age of 15. the modeling agency is not your Boarding School in Connecticut or the english countryside.

[smartarse]

^which goes back to my post #13423 :

what is alarming is that there are models who lives and breathes modeling and they will kill themselves to stay, which is no ones fault but their own. and families who live vicariously through their children and subconciously pushed them to succeed regardless of consequences , is as much of a blame if not most of the blame

ETA:
it's like sending your child to school for learning, yes to learn, but many parents wants educators to not only teach them but also discipline them too??? discipline it should be the responsibility of the parents, and parents also blame fast foods on their child's obesity as well.

[model_mom]

You have got to be kidding....you know as well as I do that there are many, many young models in NY on their own with stars in their eyes and signed with an agency that tells the parents to trust us to take care of your daughter......many of them far from home with no one to trust BUT the agency.

[kimair]

Originally Posted by smartarse

i can't believe any responsible parent would turn over their daughter and agreed to let anyone, for that matter, take full responsibility for their daughter at the age of 15. the modeling agency is not your Boarding School in Connecticut or the english countryside.

look at something like gymnastics...
it has the same elements as modeling (short shelf life, have to be small in size), but the girls start much, much younger....
i saw a very interesting documentary on the training of these girls in countries like romania and the soviet union...
someone in their school sees they have talent, then a coach comes to talk to their parents, and says "your daughter can be a champion with the proper training, etc."
so the parents send the child away, usually to a different part of the country where they train for hours a day and go to school at the gym with other girls who are training...
the parents don't have much contact with their child, seeing them sometimes at meets...
they trust the coaches, the program, etc. to look out for their child, because that's what they say they will do...
but those girls also develop eating disorders...
it seemed very sad to me, but i can imagine something very similar happens in modelling...

i don't think it's fair to place blame on ali's parents...she didn't say anything about disappointing her parents...
she said herself (in the teen vogue article) that she's a perfectionist...
some people want to be the best at something and will do whatever it takes to get there...
i was a competitive athlete and i know what that means...
you don't want to succeed for anyone else but for yourself...
everyone wants to find someone to blame, and maybe it's not just one person but a combination of factors...

[JillianS]

Originally Posted by smartarse

^which goes back to my post #13423 :



ETA:
it's like sending your child to school for learning, yes to learn, but many parents wants educators to not only teach them but also discipline them too??? discipline it should be the responsibility of the parents, and parents also blame fast foods on their child's obesity as well.

It should be. What happens to the child if it isn't?

[Fontenrose]

Well, Ali's article and information like this thread will open parents' eyes.

The trouble is, parents know so little in the beginning. They trust where they shouldn't. Like Ali said, first it's ten pounds... then it's ten more pounds.

[smartarse]

Originally Posted by kimair

look at something like gymnastics...
it has the same elements as modeling (short shelf life, have to be small in size), but the girls start much, much younger....
i saw a very interesting documentary on the training of these girls in countries like romania and the soviet union...
someone in their school sees they have talent, then a coach comes to talk to their parents, and says "your daughter can be a champion with the proper training, etc."
so the parents send the child away, usually to a different part of the country where they train for hours a day and go to school at the gym with other girls who are training...
the parents don't have much contact with their child, seeing them sometimes at meets...
they trust the coaches, the program, etc. to look out for their child, because that's what they say they will do...
but those girls also develop eating disorders...
it seemed very sad to me, but i can imagine something very similar happens in modelling...

i don't think it's fair to place blame on ali's parents...she didn't say anything about disappointing her parents...
she said herself (in the teen vogue article) that she's a perfectionist...
some people want to be the best at something and will do whatever it takes to get there...
i was a competitive athlete and i know what that means...
you don't want to succeed for anyone else but for yourself...
everyone wants to find someone to blame, and maybe it's not just one person but a combination of factors...

gymnastics and figure skating and the like you speak of are all amateurs gearing up for the Olympics. Modeling is a profession, short shelf life or not....

which goes back to my post #13425

agencies just represents the models [if you mosely along to modeling terms/terminology thread it will explain a bit better the reason why]. they can say and do whatever they feel to a model for compensation sake. BUT it is the model's choice to stay or walk away. it is not like the Olympics of the Russian teams where they have balls and chains on their athletes to succeed and be the best they should be and won't allow their athletes to say "no" or walk away.

[foreverandnone]

Okay, there should be no models under 18. These girls need to be adults, they need to be educated and be self sufficient.
No wonder they are getting them so god damned young. When you are that young it's hard to say no. It's hard to understand beyond the empty promises you have shoved in your face.
At 18, your full grown, you fill out in all the right places, there has been no self-skewed body image from years of being told you need to look like this, and that.
I'd chose watching Doutzen strut her stuff down the runway over any rail thin model. Atleast I know what the clothes will look like on people with hips.
(But that's not to say people who have a NATURAL boyish figure aren't beautiful aswell.)

For me, it's about a face, not a body. I just wish people wouldn't go against their natural body type, it's just unnecessary. (unless of course you've been dining on junk food all your life)
Look at Sasha Pivovarova, she's not really rail thin, her legs are probably bigger than ali's (ali's legs aren't even big), but it looks natural. We may see her exhausted, but one thing you don't see with Sasha is a fluctuating weight, and it's probably because that's just how she's built.

And who says you need to be a stick to be successful, look at Behati Prinsloo! She's got an amazing body that a lot of women have without going to drastic measures.

This topic is way over kill. Makes my brain hurt.

[smartarse]

Originally Posted by JillianS

It should be. What happens to the child if it isn't?

i think you can answer that for yourself, no?