The Model & Celeb Weight Thread [Read post #1 before posting] #1

[Cola]

Well .. people don't get all up when they hear the term "heroin chic" either .. so ..

[hermetic]

^ duh... if it would only help change things...

[karen sofie]

so what, cola??

[Cola]

I don't know actually, it was just the first thing that crossed my mind .. I guess it can be interpreted that I wanted to say that achieving glamour feels like more of an achievement if you take something that is actually sick and ugly and make it chic and that's unusual and just so fashion.

[smartarse]

there should be a limit on what designers decides as their "theme" would be and how far they will push their look on the models as far as physical changes. they're making the whole thing like acting when an actor's role calls for a gaunt, heroine addict, he transforms his physical appearance to look the part. you all see actors change their diets for a role. *Designers need to stay away from the hollywood mindset and focus on fashion and consumers not fantasy.

[Starry_Night]

It is great that Michael Kors has stepped up and that he is calling for change. However, one has to question whether or not it was all talk, with no real intent on acting. It seems somewhat hypocritical for him to have criticized the hyper-thin movement after having used Vlada and Chanel (specifically Vlada, who seems to have become one of the poster children for the emaciated model trend) in his very recent resort show. Especially because there were only 6 girls in the presentation. Therefore, 1/3 of the models he used were, in my mind, too thin.
On top of that, in his f/w 08 show, Kors cast Natasha Poly (who was certainly at her thinnest), Olga Sherer, Vlada, and Lily (who closed the show). Now, as we are growing closer to September, the question is - will Kors continue to include such thin models in his s/s ’09 show?
As others have said, we shall soon see who is truly ready and willing to initiate the very necessary shift back to healthier models, and who is simply all talk.

[Fontenrose]

Originally Posted by karen sofie

^'the look this year is anorexia' - are you kidding me? What a sick, sick world, oh my ****ing God!!

you said it.

[twin star]

Vlada is popular among designers but i don't think they use her because of her skinny body. she also graces so many Japanese magazine covers. it's just her cute face more than her skinny body that makes her popular in the fashion industry.

[ms-nietzsche]

Originally Posted by smartarse

there should be a limit on what designers decides as their "theme" would be and how far they will push their look on the models as far as physical changes. they're making the whole thing like acting when an actor's role calls for a gaunt, heroine addict, he transforms his physical appearance to look the part. you all see actors change their diets for a role. *Designers need to stay away from the hollywood mindset and focus on fashion and consumers not fantasy.

I don't think it's a matter of theme so much anymore. Look at the Herve Leger and Versace shows. The theme of the dresses is sexy, curve-showing etc, yet the models are anything but. When Ali went to Paris the only show that booked her was Yohji Yamamoto, whose show uses a more androgynous theme which in theory would require more up-and-down models than Versace and the like.

[ms-nietzsche]

Originally Posted by twin star

Vlada is popular among designers but i don't think they use her because of her skinny body. she also graces so many Japanese magazine covers. it's just her cute face more than her skinny body that makes her popular in the fashion industry.

There are lots of cute faces out there that don't come with knobbly knee, a neck that looks like its suffocating itself, and giant eye bags.

[twin star]

of course there're many cute faces, skinny models out there. but my point is her body is not a main factor for her being booked. she also said in an interview that she never complains, never shows tired during work. she thinks that's also the reason why designers like to book her.

[iluvjeisa]

Originally Posted by Cola

I don't know actually, it was just the first thing that crossed my mind .. I guess it can be interpreted that I wanted to say that achieving glamour feels like more of an achievement if you take something that is actually sick and ugly and make it chic and that's unusual and just so fashion.

The end stage may look sick and ugly...but before that it's not. Many careers have been made on that look, or the tales of it. So it's just logical that it was a fashion trend, especially at that time of course, with the biggest rock stars being...the way they were.

Sort of amusing...the way it always is....guys do something for years and years, a few girls do it, or are portrayed as doing it - and suddenly - people care and are outraged - but again, never about the buys doing meds, even if they kill themselves over it they're just tortured poets

[marylauda]

Vlada being so thin is obviously a factor in her booking jobs, as her cute face is too. If it wasn't she would never be in anything revealing on the runway.

[Cola]

Originally Posted by iluvjeisa

The end stage may look sick and ugly...but before that it's not. Many careers have been made on that look, or the tales of it. So it's just logical that it was a fashion trend, especially at that time of course, with the biggest rock stars being...the way they were.

Well true, but sick and ugly does not have to mean THIS close to golden shot .. there are many people are into athletic bodies and rosy cheeks and find pale, empty faces, indifferent behaviour, lanky bodies, that sick-ish look, ugly. Then someone sees appeal in it, you know, edgy jolie laide etc, and it becomes fashionable and eventually trendy.

[Fontenrose]

On fitting into sample sizes by dieting fashion industry insiders from the Haute Couture Clients thread:

I met Yves in one of his little fitting rooms. He had one of the world’s best tailors and a fabulous seamstress who made the clothes on your skin. Yves would tiptoe in like someone’s uninvited child and he would smile nervously at me because I wasn’t a buddy. Only once he changed into somebody else for a minute and narrowed his lids and slyly suggested I lose five to seven pounds so that I could buy his runway samples; size four to six then when models were fat — size zero to two now. Those runway samples were sold at the end of each season for birdseed and that is how a lot of women who weren’t rich looked rich.

by Mary Wells, who founded the ad and marketing agency, Wells Rich Greene in Wowowow