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Funny... Page one she's with her father with the conviniently placed cross in the background. I click on the last page and there's that pic of her on TMZ. HAHA! This sounds like a typical case of preacher's daughter turning slutty and lying about her age to have fun - sad thing is, when girls do this men are the ones who get in trouble unintentionally.

The thing that bothered me about a YT news report video was some lady defending Akon, basically saying that hey, this was an 18 an over club, this girl was underage, she knew his songs so therefore she knew what would've happened to her - it smacked of the typical response to "she deserved it because she knew/should've known what was coming to her" when a woman is abused. Though of course, this whole situation is different.
Exactly. And you know, people who grew up with ministers or preachers for parents, or in very religious homes are the worst rebels. They go buckwild. I know a girl who grew up in a prominent Mormon family. Her grandfather was a church official and next thing you know, she was pregnant at 15 or 16.

I agree that blaming the victim is wrong. But people jumped to conclusions way too fast! THe evidence speaks for itself. She made a mistake and what he did was wrong, but it was disgusting of her to play the victim card when she was obviously not as innocent as she portrayed herself to be.

As for someone photoshopping pictures of her........ PLEASE. That's beyond reaching! Shockingly enough, not all 15 year olds are perfect angels. My mother got pregnant with my sister when she was 15 and the father was 27. She had lied to him about her age the entire time. I've never once heard her blame the father or play the victim. Everyone makes mistakes. It's better to just admit them and move on than to lie.

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I'm a preacher's kid. My mum was 16 and my dad 25 when they married in 1959. He wasn't a preacher or even so religious then, I take it. They're still married, and my brothers and sisters and I did run amok.

I wouldn't say it was rebelliousness, but rather Bible stories which taught us that life has consequences. And, my, were we so very eager for consequences. A certain boldness comes with faith, I think.;>

This girl will do just fine.

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It's so easy to make up a myspace page for somebody else. Heck, I have pictures of my friends that even they don't have anymore. Who knows maybe it is her page but all I'm saying is one shouldn't jump to conclusions and automatically assume it's her. Most people thought Lindsay's myspace was authentic until she came out saying it wasn't on national TV.

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^ OK, but even so, there were topless pictures of her and pictures with her friends at the Akon concert. It's really reaching to assume that someone photoshopped pictures of her and created a page of her. I would put good money against that. Think about it, it really sounds ridiculous. She's probably just like every other 15 year old on the planet with a MySpace. I think that's FAR more probable.

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^ OK, but even so, there were topless pictures of her and pictures with her friends at the Akon concert. It's really reaching to assume that someone photoshopped pictures of her and created a page of her. I would put good money against that. Think about it, it really sounds ridiculous. She's probably just like every other 15 year old on the planet with a MySpace. I think that's FAR more probable.
Yeah no kidding.

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I never said anything was photoshopped :x Just that nowadays the majority of digital photographs are public domain, even after showing them to one person they get around.

The thought of photoshopping never occured to me to be honest..

I don't know why I'm defending her, I'm not really. I just like throwing another opinion out there

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Wow...she could actually pass as 19 too. Doesn't look 15 at all.

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Regardless if she's 19 or 15. Akon is a 35 year old man. It has been revealed from his old prison records. He's been saying he's 25. He has as many wives as "he can afford". Should he be charged with a crime? NO. Should he be looked down upon because he's a 35 year old trying to pass himself off as 25 and having many wives? Yes. Does he deserve the sucess he has? NO. Every song of his sounds the same. He's a pig.

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Personally, I don't care if she's 15 or 19, or if it was forced or consensual (of course the former choices make it worse) I still think it's disgusting, unacceptable public behavior, and contributes greatly to the view of women as sexual chattel who exist solely for the pleasure and service of men.

When I, a perfectly respectable, modestly dressed, mature woman gets rubbed up against in public or grabbed at, it's because of morons like Akon perpetuating and celebrating the idea that because I possess breasts and a vagina, I am somehow less deserving of basic respect.

In the middle ages they had to call all heads of church and state together and seriously discuss whether or not women had souls or were we like animals, designed to be nothing more than beasts of burden, breeders, and temptresses for men. When I listen to Akon's lyrics, and see him treating a strange woman/girl like that publicly (if you and your partner want to have rough sex, Godspeed, it's different) it gives me the same sense of queasy outrage as when I read my history texts.

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But a lot of people dance like this. It's horrible and really disgusting to watch, but it's not because of Akon that those "moves" exist and can be done in public. At my high school homecoming this year, everyone was grinding and basically simulating sex on the dance floor, except for like five people (myself included. I don't know how I turned out to be such a prude). And the general school population is upper-middle class, suburban, and predominately white.

Yes Akon's music is crap, and the theme of his music is pathetic and sexist. But this isolated occurence...it's just one of many, of probably thousands+ people dancing like that. The only real blame we can put on Akon is for the content of his "music". This thing with the 15-year-old, that's just a symptom of society more than anything else imo. As in, that a 15-year-old could dress like this, dance like this with no qualms, that Akon would be allowed to dance like that in public. His fame is also a symptom of society, that we let him and others like him be famous. But the only real thing we can blame Akon for is making bad music (and being an *******, but I don't feel qualified to say that because I don't know the guy, or even read/hear about him other than this thread).

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I don't think dancing is the problem either. I've danced more than a tad bit suggestively many times before but that's because I have fun and enjoy what I'm doing. No one is degrading me or forcing me to do anything because I choose to grind against my friends. It bothers me when anytime a female makes a choice, she's automatically being degraded. Says who? Last time I checked we all had a choice. If you want to act like an idiot, it's your choice. Maybe if we had more personal responsibilty instead of blaming everyone for everyone else's mistakes, incidents like this could be handled with more maturity.

Girls are either prudes or mindless sex things. Why does it always have to be either or? Females need to look within themselves before blaming society. It's not society's fault when you act like an idiot. When you have inner strength and internal convictions, a couple of videos will not influence your decisions. I enjoy rap music and anything provacative, but I CHOOSE not to have sex. People don't degrade me because I don't allow them to. Being a strong woman involves more than conservative clothing and strict moral boundaries.

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^I don't think ALL girls fall into those two categories.

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^ I know, I'm saying that's what the general perception is. You either have to be wild, crazy and slutty or completely prudish and boring. It's the whole virgin/whore complex everyone seems to have.

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OK, I warn you this is going to be a rant.
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5) Just because she was dressed like a slut, it does not mean that she is one. The issue with her being 15 is NOT a physical one. The majority of girls are ready to have sex and children at the age of 12, sometimes younger. It's the mental issue that worries people. So for all these people who berate this girl for having two tattooes (which may or may not be real) and dressing in skimpy clothes, for a start a lot of 15 girls are impressionable and naive. The media is largely to blame with their constant barrage of 'sexy' women in music videos, films and magazines. Secondly, she lives in a hot country and clubs are hot too so I don't see why she would wear an eskimo suit. Thirdly, she most likely wanted to dress like the other girls in the club. Of course she has some accountability but a lot of 15 year olds don't think the way a 25-30 year old does, they don't have that level of experience, hormones are high and the peer pressure is on.
I agree with a lot of your observations in the above paragraph. Sexual maturity is indeed a question of emotional maturity more than a question of age (since girls are pretty much fit for sex right after childhood).
However, you assume than this emotional maturity is only the appendage of adults. I disagree. I already stated my opinion on the subject in the Whales rider actress' thread. Basically, it is different for every women. Some reach this mature state very early, other late into adulthood.
In this particular case, I don't see how you can judge the girl's maturity just by a video (I haven't seen the video BTW, because I don't like seeing people I deem ugly having sex, simulated or otherwise -same reason why I don't watch porn).
But this is not the real issue at hand. The real issue is censure. Here I disagree with your points. Censure is always the WORST answer. It never improve any situation. It is irrelevant whether kids know Akon, or Eminen. That should not influence their music nor lyrics. If artists start tailoring their craft to suit their public or parents' associations, it's the end of Art. As worthless as Akon is, he should not be censored. Banning Akon's songs is not going to make misogyny go away, just like banning Mein Kempf has not made anti-Semites go away.
However, there are law against hate speech. Instead of censuring him, the smart move would be to let him make his disks and then sue him for hate speech against women. I am sure there is enough material to build a case here.

So many people here are assuming that rappers have the monopoly of hate and violence against women. HELLO! Women have always been persecuted and vilified. What do you think feminists have been fighting against for the biggest part of the last century?
Even when people where all polite, and well-dressed and White (since I can't help discerning some racist undertones in some posts), women where not much better treated. If anything, in the age of Hip-hop, women have more rights and power than ever.

So, while I don't defend this scum bag, I don't see why this sad pointless little story is made out to be so symbolic or meaningfully. It's just a dirty piece of trivia. Nothing more. And those who dismiss an entire musical genre because of things like that only display there ignorance and prejudide, I think.
Jazz is originally about sex. Most lyrics of ealy jazz song were bordering on the pornographic. Should Jazz be dismissed as worthless? Should I burn my Rolling Stones CDs because of all the crappy rock 'artists' that polute my radio?

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There's something seriously wrong with our culture when it's forbidden to make reference to a woman having an orgasm in a happy, joyful poppy song, yet it's perfectly OK to have some weasel loser tell us all about the selfish, demeaning sex he feels he's entitled to.
You would not believe the number of supposedly grown-up men who are scared s***less of women's sexuality.

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When I, a perfectly respectable, modestly dressed, mature woman gets rubbed up against in public or grabbed at, it's because of morons like Akon perpetuating and celebrating the idea that because I possess breasts and a vagina, I am somehow less deserving of basic respect.
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