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if Garance is Carrie, then Scott is...
A mix of Skipper (the fashion sense), the Russian (the patronising) and Big (the douchiness when inebriated).

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I've been a member at TFS for several years now, but I've never been much of a poster... Today, however, I feel compelled to write a little something. I have been reading Garance for quite some time now, and this morning, I decided to Google her in order to find a bit more information about her work. This thread showed up in my search and I've spent the past twenty minutes or so going through its pages.

Frankly, the majority of the people commenting here should be really embarrassed and ashamed. This thread is in the rumours section of the community, yet, no rumours have been posted in the last 15 pages. The only commentary I've seen questions Garance's personality and judgement, and attacks Scott Schuman for his height.

It's one thing to comment on an individual's work, but it is entirely different to attack someone based upon the way that they look. Most (and I say most, not all) people here are comfortably hiding behind their computer screens, writing in from God knows where on this planet, attacking these two people as if they know them personally. Judging someone based upon what is written about them or how they are quoted (or mis-quoted) in articles is both immature and presumptuous.

I would suggest that everyone question why they hold such a vendetta against complete strangers, and perhaps, channel this negative energy and time poorly wasted towards a more productive task.

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While I agree with your overall sentiment - that people in this thread are being too harsh on Garance and Scott, I disagree with the sentiment expressed by you (and many many others) that people who say these things online are some how "hiding" behind computer screens. I feel quite confident many posters would say these things to their face But more important, speaking your mind is what an internet community is all about. The sentiments I have expressed in these and other threads, I would be more than happy to say to a friend instead of, or in addition to, online - but not many of my friends read Garance Dore, The Sartorialist, or care about fashion on the same level I do, whereas I can log onto tFS and am instantly greeted with a community of people who instantly know what I'm talking about. So I disagree the opinions here are expressed because of the potential for anonymity.

Secondly, many people in the thread have complained about a quality decline in the work of both Garance and Scott since they've been together. I think that is a totally valid point to discuss in a thread about their relationship. I do agree that Scott's height is totally irrelevant, as is the excerpt from the Holt Renfrew book signing ordeal but speculation on their relationship is no different than rumors or gossip made up to go in the weekly tabloids. And if we all channeled our (negative or otherwise) thoughts on relationships based on looks into other activities, I think about half of American media empires would crumble.


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rouge99, I have the feeling you're not very familiar with Garance and Scott at all.

These two are very outspoken and give many interviews (including the infamous drunken one where Scott made an a** of himself. Oh sorry, was *misquoted*). Garance especially is a chatterbox about her private life. There is enough material out there (that they have themselves provided) to form an opinion about them.
Comments about Garance's writing are completely warranted since it is an integral part of her blog, and of course it will reflect on her personally and judgement. The height comments are petty, OK, but when a self-styled style 'connoisseur' dresses so poorly for his height and body-type, you can't help but laugh.

I don't dislike them as much as many people here but I doubt anybody is holding a vendetta. Calm down.

As for accusing others of hiding behind a computer screen to make judgemental comments and insult strangers, ô the irony! I don't suppose rouge99 is you birth name, is it?

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rouge99 We attack them so often coz they are very snob and, after watching their videos and reading theirs interviews, i feel ( and many others ) that they're think about themselves only in superlatives. Plus, esp. garance, changed in bad way. She was good in drawings and taking picutres on strret but when she started to writing more and more we were shocked how stupid and empty her stories sometimes were. Nothing to be in love, yet mnay magazines and fashion industry in general loves them and that's what i can't stad - there is many, many ppl out there in the fashion world better then she and he. At least scott has really good eye and he includes many men picutres which is still quite rare.

and while i agree that making fun of somebody mostly - about their look is quite imature - i can help it. Probably coz scott thinks about himself like he is the smartest, most handsome and intresting man.

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I don't know rouge99 but I didn't get the impression that she was not calmed, it just seemed an opposite opinion in the same presumptuous vein of the rest of the comments in this thread.

I agree with her that this thread is a pain to read.. though I already stated that.. it's more disappointing than a pain actually. And I disagree with her in the same part Meg does.. perhaps I would not say something like that to someone, just because I think people are probably more aware of them than one is!, but catty criticism is certainly something that might even reach ultra offensive levels among my group of friends so the online world isn't honestly some sort of trench I found.. it is often (like Meg says) more the topic that's available for discussion here and not outside what attracts me to it.

Back to Garance's blog, I have this impression that knowing who and what she's talking about is what has partially affected the way her writing is perceived.. I was never a big fan of her blog (though I always enjoy it when I visit) but to me her style hasn't really changed that much, if only for the amount of 'fashion talk/celebrities' filtered in and the clear fact that she'd not leading such a simple 'street photographer' life anymore..

Finally, and I think rouge and I might share this.. there are people that are just really not that convinced by rumors, call us stupid but it is what it is, I'm skeptical to the bone , reason why I'm not that much in this part of the forum.. I don't even believe the story of the guy that got fired for eating a croissant so obviously, when someone comes and tell me she's read somewhere that someone interviewed a drunken Schuman and he was a total jerk.. well, maybe he was a jerk.. maybe he wasn't.. maybe she had an attitude that would make me want to be a drunken bitch too but can't be captured in an interview, who knows.. that's why I don't feel like expanding that much on him based on a few impressions by other people with other agendas, let alone 'punishing' his genetics for that..

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In order to not hide behind my computer screen:

My name is Adrienne Khol (from Vancouver, presently Montreal) and I stand by what I wrote earlier today. The reality is that the majority of complaints made here are not about the professional work of these individuals, but rather, their speculated personality flaws.

TFS is used to be such a positive place, but threads like this make it seem like high fashion TMZ..

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I don't know rouge99 but I didn't get the impression that she was not calmed
To clarify, I meant 'calm down' in reference to the use of hyperbole (vendetta). I wasn't suggesting that Adrienne Khol from Vancouver was hysterical.
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The reality is that the majority of complaints made here are not about the professional work of these individuals, but rather, their speculated personality flaws.
This is the 'rumor has it' section. We're not here to discuss their work (even though the discussion often goes there because in their case it's so intertwined with their personal lives), there are other threads in other sections to do that. Here we discuss their relationships and, yes, their 'speculated personality flaws'.
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TFS is used to be such a positive place, but threads like this make it seem like high fashion TMZ..
Eh? Isn't that the point of 'rumor has it', which BTW is hardly representative of this whole website! It's a place to gossip. You are not going to get much elevated debates in this section of the site.
Allow me to offer a suggestion in return to yours: familiarise yourself with the structure of this website, so you don't end up complaining that the gossip section is too gossipy.

PS: my identity here is Harumi and I don't see how my actual identity would make any of my points more relevant or pertinent so I'm not going to share it.

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Oh Adrienne, you really didn't have to do that... Thanks for your integrity.

I certainly agree with you that there is some pretty low stuff going on in this thread, (especially comments targeted at Scott's height). Unlike the other threads on tFS dealing with celebrity style and gossip, this thread lacks a balance of opinion and seems to exist for the sole purpose of s******ing at S&G. Not that I blame the posters. I've been one of them. But it's true, there's a kind of gleefully mean streak here. Sometimes it's starts off fun and it escalates.

But, I do agree with the others that we'd say exactly the same stuff to our friends and are by no means hiding behind our usernames.

And I think people are not commenting on speculated personality flaws as much as the questionable moral and aesthetic values regularly represented by the content of these two blogs.

Clearly, there's much in there we find fundamentally offensive.
If not here at tFS, where else to vent our frustration at the world of fashion we love so much?

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Garance Doré turns personal style into necessary viewing for the industry elite and everyone else.


By Derek Blasberg

"Which do you want to hear?" asks Garance Doré. "What I would like fashion month to be like or what it’s actually like?" The illustrator and photographer's eponymous blog is a must-read for fashion's elite and fanatics alike, thus making this self-made style maven an authority on the four-plus-week biannual ritual that is the New-York-London-Milan-Paris collections circuit.
Doré, 35, starts with the best of intentions. "[The plan] is always the same: Get really prepared for Fashion Week, do all my shopping, and do a really smart job packing," she says.
"Then, during the shows, I finish my work early in the evening and wake up every morning and go swimming, just like Anna Dello Russo." She's referring to the fanatically organized fashion editor, famed for her rigorous diet and workout schedule and her impeccable wardrobe.
But to Doré's dismay, what actually happens is a different story. Her next post, like those of most Fashion Week bloggers, depends on endless hours of camping out at the right time and spot. And so her packing tends to be rushed, her outfits thrown together, and her sleep hours abbreviated. "I always arrive exhausted. Since I will be out of the office for a month, I have to be all caught up." She sighs. "And then I don't have time to shop, prepare, and I end up throwing everything in a case and going to the airport."
In short, while she’s been heralded for her own quirky French style by fellow bloggers and editors, she doesn't see herself appearing as tucked and specific as some of the ladies she captures. We beg to differ. She prefers Céline for "its understated chic. It’s elegant to see a woman who feels good and comfortable and chic. I loved the Céline clogs because they were a little bit heavy, but you could run around in them." Being able to run around is of the utmost importance to her. "The recession made clothes wearable and buyable, which is true prêt-à- porter. There are now designs for a real woman who works. I am like that. I am a working woman, and I love that there is a fashion that understands me."
Yet for as many times as the camera is turned on her, Doré still views herself as an outsider. "It's my goal to look like those girls who are so put together, but I have to go home and update my blog," she says. Of course, she isn't an outsider, but she’s maintained an approach to fashion that's unjaded and honest and therefore eminently relatable. Pair that with a sixth sense for personal style—both her own and that of others—and her intimate pictures accompanied by musings on the appropriateness of short shorts or the beauty of a white shirt become absolutely essential.
Born and raised in Corsica, Doré grew up with dreams of illustrating for Disney. Her first job was as a film publicist, but she eventually ditched that to seek out small illustrative commissions from magazines. Still, even that proved too restrictive, and she craved communication with people looking at her work. Et voilà, the perfect solution: a blog.
Garancedore.fr is now four years old, nearly ancient in Internet years. "I'm a first-generation blogger," she says. She initially posted her illustrations and welcomed reader comments. While her blogger status now seems enviably prescient, at the time she wasn’t particularly proud of it. "I didn't tell anybody. I thought having a blog was not cool," she says. “Four years ago, to have a blog meant you had no life.” Now it receives 70,000 hits per day, many of those by the very women she photographs, hoping they made the cut. Her entrée into the fashion world “happened very organically,” she explains. She had always been intrigued by what was happening on the streets. (“This is my office,” she says at one point, gesturing toward the New York street on which we’re standing.)
She developed her eye for street fashion in Paris and was duly impressed when she first saw the fashion-show crowds. That led to experimenting with photography, namely snaps of chic editors she took outside shows. "There is this fascination about the fashion industry, and you see all these beautiful things," she says. "And then you realize, 'Fashion Week is happening next door. You can go look!' "
So she huddled with a then-small group of other street-style photographers, like Jak & Jil’s Tommy Ton and the Sartorialist’s Scott Schuman. If Doré is first generation, Schuman is the style-blog godfather. In fact, Doré has been dating Schuman for two years and says he is “almost like my editor in chief.”
Even though the bloggers are all pointing their cameras in the relative same direction, the outcomes are different, she maintains. “We all shoot things in different ways,” she insists. “But if both Scott and I have a good picture of the same girl, we’ll both post it. We share some readers, and some readers aren’t the same.”
But all would agree that being a blogger is both liberating and not. “When you start, you realize how much freedom you have and how much of a pleasure it is to work on. It becomes addictive,” Doré says. “I am absolutely free with my blog and my life, but you have to be regimented, especially during Fashion Week.”
Every morning, the first thing she does is get on the computer. “I post early. As a reader, I go to the Internet in the morning.” After that, she can be seen at every important show or event on the schedule. She is invited to the many nightly Fashion Week parties but rarely attends. “That’s a decision I had to make early: If I want to keep my blog updated, I have to go home, edit my pictures, and then go to bed to wake up again,” she explains.
Some days, Fashion Week or not, she is pounding the pavement with her camera, and other days she’s in front of her computer for hours on end. (The day before we meet at the Mercer hotel for a glass of iced tea, she worked on her site from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m.)
While some people may think that a blog is a career jumping-off point—which Doré did intend when she started hers—the site has remained the source of her inspiration and worth nearly every waking hour of her day. But that’s not to say she hasn’t extended her reach beyond the Web. Personal style is fashion’s toptrading currency of the moment. Bloggers are being sought out by major labels, department stores, and designers. Being at the top of the street-style heap has brought Doré commissions like shooting Love Moschino’s Fall 2010 ad campaign and Club Monaco’s latest look book. Nevertheless, she remains a dedicated blogeuse at heart. “It is my focus, my vision, and a very important expression of myself,” she says. “My blog is the center of my life.”
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If not here at tFS, where else to vent our frustration at the world of fashion we love so much?
To be honest, I now plan on blinding myself so I can never again commit the crime of "laughing at a photograph of someone" - but we will all have our own ways of coming to terms with the fact that we all do it, just not at the same people. Sometimes I even laugh at myself, but sadly, in those moments, no-one turns up to tell me that I'm doing a great wrong.

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^ oh I'm sure, if repeatedly, your time will come.. physical flaws go from fun to boring after a few of strikes.. or several pages.

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Doré has been dating Schuman for two years and says he is “almost like my editor in chief.”
Oh, so that's why her blog became soooo damn boring I used to read it daily, but as I stated in previous posts, it became too fashion industry-y and not street style with the industry's outsiders or less known that the likes or Carine R., ADR etc. I used to like her work for its authenticity, now I just find her annoying.

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^ About that, did you see that she has dramatically changed the design of her blog today? It looks very professional (like a magazine website) and not like a personal blog anymore

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although i am not fan of them - pic is very nice and i loveee bag (id?)

but saying that my boyfriend is my editor is not the best movie garance XD

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