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28-10-2011
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Annoying as it may be, if young people making opinionated fools of themselves online goes one tiny step towards making sure someone has the awareness - and strength of mind - to stand up for themselves in a bad situation, then it's been worth it.

I'd rather the world was composed of young girls talking under-informed nonsense about the potential for women to be exploited, than of young girls relating their stories of how they were terribly exploited.

It's precisely because young women don't have life experience, that they need to draw on other forms of confidence to see them through the situations where someone is going to take advantage. Being opinionated might seem a flimsy and laughable way to approach the world to anyone old enough to have gained wisdom instead, but it's better than making no defense at all.

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Not when we are talking of children tackling subjects that a priori should not even have an opinion about. We do not live in cultural vacuum, this idea that has been hammered that everything in a certain way can be subjective is a false one. Societies are only work when a set of standards has been generally agreed on. Children should not tackle pornography, Tavi, as a typical young teen, has absolutely no concept of the power relations involved in any form of sexual relations, that's exactly why we have an age of consent that more or less in all western countries around 16, so what makes everyone think her opinion may be in any way or form be relevant in this subject?
Don't get me wrong, Tavi is not to blame in here, the people to blame are the ones that spread her word, the fact that she thinks she is experienced enough to give an opinion about this is typical teen behaviour. When i was a teen i said the most outrageous things about all sort of subjects with the utmost conviction, but i just thank the Gods no one was stupid enough to listen and that i grew up in an age I had no outlet for my rants.
I do not agree AT ALL with Scott when she say that people focus on Tavi to mock the blogging community, I just think the media focus on Tavi because she looks like a very very young child sprouting grown up opinions, she's "different". If she didn't have this granny/child thing going on, and looked 18, like a lot of 15 year olds do, no one would pay attention. She found her niche, good for her, I do not understand why Scott thinks it's a slur upon himself.
Says who?

I think every 14 year old girl should have an opinion about how an older male photographer should properly relate to a young girl. If teenage girls don't have views on these things, how in the world are they to fend off predators?

Yes, there are age of consent laws, but they vary. And people break them. In some countries/states, the age of consent is 14. It's not like the law makes sense, or is based on biological fact.

I believe in old souls, so I think chronological age is by no means the only measure of experience.

One has only to turn on talk radio in the US to hear adults of quite advanced ages spouting all manner of nonsense.

Agree with tigerrouge that it's much better and safer to find your voice than to not find it, even if you say some stupid things (and you very likely will--I certainly did). Telling children to be seen and not heard is not safe for them. Children must have a voice.

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^ fashionista-ta, I think Les_Sucettes was talking about a child judging the artistic merits of Richardson's work, not implying that she shouldn't think that sexual harassment is bad or wrong (of course it is!). I personally believe that some of his work has merit, but its content and subject matter is no excuse to pressure a model (especially the ones unrepresented by an agency) into sexual favours. On the flip side, it's also beyond ridiculous to say "oh, look at his photographs, the women in them must have been exploited!", which is what she did.

Scott might say obnoxious things sometimes and he is effectively the chief paparazzo for fashion insiders now, but even he isn't as bad as that. Maybe he didn't put his point across in the best way, but the essence of what he says is true - old soul or no, age and life experience do go a long way towards helping an individual gain perspective.

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That wraps up the Tavi/Terry discussion as this is the Scott and Garance thread and it has veered off topic. Further comments will be deleted, please take it to PM or profile comments. Thank You.

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Scott might say obnoxious things sometimes and he is effectively the chief paparazzo for fashion insiders now, but even he isn't as bad as that. Maybe he didn't put his point across in the best way, but the essence of what he says is true - old soul or no, age and life experience do go a long way towards helping an individual gain perspective.
Well then all I can say is that it's just too bad that his life experience didn't help him gain perspective to put his point across in the best way. Wicked, right?
There are really so many things he shouldn't criticize, specially without looking into his own flaws first... Doesn't he have a publicist who can tell him to control himself in interviews? because this goes way before the tavi incident. when it's not bloggers, it's how much money he makes, or how he is so full of himself, or worse: he is drunk talking about his sexual life with garance...

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Sartorialist Founder Scott Schuman Airs Grievances in GQ

SCHUMAN’S PEEVES: Good old print magazines keep getting the shaft these days. Even in their own pages. “It shocks me when young kids still say, ‘I want to do a magazine,’” Scott Schuman said, in the June issue of GQ. “Really? Do you want to do a magazine because you want to be an editor — what you think that life is, that romance — or do you want to communicate? Because if you want to communicate, why the f--k would you put all those obstacles in your path and have to print pages, as opposed to going right on the Internet and actually communicating?”

The Sartorialist founder goes on to discuss other issues, including his complicated relationship with Dolce & Gabbana. The brand seated him front row along with Garance Doré, Tommy Ton and Bryanboy, at a D&G spring runway show in 2009. At the time, the decision to move print editors from the front row for bloggers was news and represented a “paradigm-shift moment” for fashion journalism.

To be fair, it was an over-the-top stunt that rightly humiliated Schuman (the bloggers were given laptops on little podiums), but it appears he’s still not over it. “They got a humongous amount of press,” Schuman said. “‘Look, we brought the bloggers in and gave them the front row. Look at the dancing-monkey bloggers!’ I could barely bring myself to sit down.” He adds, “Like, ‘Ugh, I don’t want everyone looking at us.’ Like, ‘Oh, look at the cute bloggers! Isn’t that cute! Are they playing Angry Birds?’ When you’ve got Ron Frasch behind you going, ‘I spent two f--king million dollars on D&G’s last collection, and I’m sitting here? For these little schmucks?’”

Speaking of Frasch, Saks Inc. president and chief merchandising officer, Schuman has a bone to pick. They were introduced at a party years ago, while Schuman was a stay-at-home dad. “He’s looking right over my head,” Schuman recalls, “and I remember thinking, I’m gonna make this f--king blog so he looks at me when I’m talking to him.” It appears the two men have a more cordial relationship now. In front of the GQ reporter, this exchange takes place:

“Hey, Ron.”

“Hey, Scott,” said Ron, politely but without slowing down.

“Happy New Year, buddy,” Schuman said. (amy wicks/wwd)

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^To me, he comes off as quite obnoxious in that interview. Maybe it was a bad day for him? He sounds like he feels so entitled.

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to be honest,he is no position(not to mention he has no experience to draw his pompous words from) to comment about print mags or anyone's desire to start one. his sanctimonious attitude about blogs,particularly his blog,often speak on a certain subject not multi-content like a print magazine does.

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God, I hate this ******* and his superiority complex. It'll never cease to amaze me to see how obnoxious he always is. Get over yourself Schuman, it's been a while since your work has been remotely interesting.

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i don't see how he can be angry at the SAKS executive simply because he was foot taller than him. do all men really care about this height issue or only very vain, insecure men?

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Style.com interviewed Scott Schuman and Garance Doré...

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here's a link to the full GQ article...

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^To me, he comes off as quite obnoxious in that interview. Maybe it was a bad day for him? He sounds like he feels so entitled.
He seems to be extremely consistent in interviews ... I think this is just his personality

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i wonder why he's so adversarial towards brands and other executives at companies...

is it because he doesnt have the gold plated health plans, 401k, stock options etc? and he think he deserves them?

bloggers don't get these things - they have to pay for them on their own...

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^ I think he's threatened. He wants to be big and important, but how many short executives do you know? With some of them, sometimes I think height is their only qualification So he has to carve out his own niche, and he has. I think that's probably the reason it sounds so overblown when he discusses his work--he really wants it to be important. As important as Ron. If not more so

If I were a blogger and they put me in the front row with a laptop on a stand, I'd probably be pleased I had such a good view, and laugh at the rest of it. He's taking it all so seriously because his status is really, really important to him.

I think he wanted to be in the front row with Ron, not with other bloggers

My own belief is that at the end of the day, what's important is not the job you had or the niche you carved necessarily, or what your status was, but what kind of person you were, and what kind of impact you had on others.

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