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Is the fashion industry so thin skinned? Everything is a controversy, everything offends someone.

I believe the apology is sincere. Instead of clamoring and pointing fingers, why not implore Numero to feature a black model (a real one ) in their editorial as a sincere gesture above the already mentioned apology?
As a black person I'm not sorry for being offended and as someone who can see through bullish!t its easy to see that neither party truly apologized or feel bad about what they did. With comments like yours its easy to see why they feel so confident in their ignorance.

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What a BS excuse, Verushcka and those women were tan, Ondria is painted dark, its completely different. It amazes me how often this happens in fashion still. Its like every couple months there is something new that has blackface or orientalism or racist connotations or use of poc as background props.

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Semantics. Try harder.
I dont need to try harder at anything, ur offended which is understandable am not.


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Besides the controversy it's a badly styled generic photoshoot.


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An example of Marisa Berenson from the 60s. Every bit as "offensive", I would say.

The problem is indeed the title....no white woman is the Queen of Africa, not even in a fashion story...


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there is o queen of Africa in reality, Africa has different countries each of which has 30 or more tribes each with its own monarchy

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there is o queen of Africa in reality, Africa has different countries each of which has 30 or more tribes each with its own monarchy
I understand that, but isn't it "naïve", at the very best to think that African Queens are 16-year-olds with painted-on tans?

I guess I kind of understand the point of blackface - 'no model of color has the aesthetic I want for this editorial' or 'this is the only girl that can make this concept come to life' - but isn't it much easier to just hire a black girl, if that's the way it is?

I guess the whole thing boils down to Numèro's sheer ignorance of black culture. They don't seem to know anything about racial equality and they coudl'nt care less - so much that they put a black model on a cover right after the controversy came out, as a 'make-up' of sorts. Do they really think we're that stupid to think that this will make up for their racial offense? This sin't the first time they've done this, and it's not the last, either. Is it so hard to be educated about an issue as important as this?

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there is o queen of Africa in reality, Africa has different countries each of which has 30 or more tribes each with its own monarchy
That's not news to anyone in this thread, I'd wager. Do you really think the Numero ppl used the term literally?!?


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i'm not understanding where people find this apology insincere or BS, from having worked on editorial shoots, the title is never picked during or before the shoot and its obvious that she is dark due to the lighting and saturation. I'm black and if I looked at the editorial before I saw the title I might have not been as offended, and I might have referenced the bad tans used by Roberto Cavalli.

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there is o queen of Africa in reality, Africa has different countries each of which has 30 or more tribes each with its own monarchy
Which makes it worse, tbqh. The West has a history of erasing the diverse cultures and countries within the continent of Africa. They would never call an editorial "European Queen" because they recognize that these are continents and not cultures. Africa gets homogenized.

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Well i thought the model was a black woman. It does not look at all like some sort of tan. I find it baffling in this day and age that people still feel the need to use white persons in this context. The inspiration could have been the same and they still could have used a black model.

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Which makes it worse, tbqh. The West has a history of erasing the diverse cultures and countries within the continent of Africa. They would never call an editorial "European Queen" because they recognize that these are continents and not cultures. Africa gets homogenized.
I think you are *seriously* underestimating people. Who today does not know that Africa consists of many different countries and that these countries are very heterogeneous?

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Who today does not know that Africa consists of many different countries and that these countries are very heterogeneous?
You'd be surprised. A ton of people think this way.

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I think you are *seriously* underestimating people. Who today does not know that Africa consists of many different countries and that these countries are very heterogeneous?
How about politicians?
http://www.thesite.org/community/rea...aisnotacountry
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1109093.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1018814.html

Additionally, whenever you hear people talk about things that occur in specific African countries (poverty, AIDS, etc), it is always "in Africa". "Poverty in Africa", "AIDS in Africa". This is something that the media has been doing for a long time.

There are several websites dedicated to this.

http://www.africaisacontinent.com/

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