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Where are the pictures of young girls Terry's done all these horrible, nasty things to? Because on his porn stuff he only seems to work with older girls and to be honest it doesn't seem like it would be hard to get girls like Magdalena, Eniko, Freja and especially Abbey Lee to take their clothes off. Toni Garrn was flashing her tits in VI and no one is getting super angry with Meisel...
It was different, I didnt saw Toni making out with Katrin in that shoot
and which point are you trying to make. It almost seems l ike you want to call Magda,Eniko, Abbey and Freja a combo of sl¨ts, which I think they are not.
I'm glad that i missed that photography, it was marked as pornography, poor model

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No ones is claiming Terry is a feminist, no one is picking him as an example that children should look up, like the likes of Beyonce that is seen as sees herself as some sort of XXI century version of feminism, that's what i object to.
I completely agree with this.

I don't find Terry's work to be demeaning to women because he's not claiming to have some message about what being a woman is about. He's only interested in sexuality. His pictures have no message: they are utterly one-layered and intended for instant gratification. There is no manifesto behind the image: it's really just his sexual fantasies, nothing less, nothing more.
In a way he is the Robert Crumb of photography: a sex-maniac who uses his camera to explore his fetishes and obsessions. Looking at his work is like looking deep into the psyche of male sexuality (considering his work looks a lot like standard-fare pornography, I think his fantasies are shared by many men. And similarly, it's not surprising most women are grossed out by it).
I agree with you that his work is very honest: it's not a Hollywood or idealized form of sexuality (which is the kind of representation of sexuality that appeal the most to women): it's crass, lurid, sleazy yet oddly shiny and sanitized like Californian pornography.
Does it appeals to me? No. Like most women I prefer the suggestive to the graphic. I also don't see any artistry in his technique (or lack of thereof). But does he offends me ? No.

I cannot be offended but another's person fantasies or sexuality, as it says nothing about me. I don't think it says much about how Richardson view women either.
I have never heard Richardson talk about women in a context other than his work and sexual fantasies, such as how he relates to women in term of friendships and relationships. I won't assume he thinks of women only as sexual object just because in the context of his work he only talks about sex.
For example, there was this great TV series called Family Business about porn producer 'Seymore Butts' that would show him in all aspects of his life. What was clear was that he had the utmost respect for women in spite of his chosen profession. Why? Simply because while his work was about sex, in his private life he expected much more than sex from a woman. Maybe Terry is the same?

Regarding the claims that he is sexually exploiting teenagers: I always though he did his most explicit shoots (as in actual sex-acts) with pornographic actresses. And while I'm not super familiar with his work, I don't get the vibe that his models work under duress (the Purple ed and the Pirelli calendar, for example, were clearly not exploitative: the girls knew what they were doing and had fun doing it).
Doing porn with teenagers, even under the pretence of fashion, would fall under the child pornography laws, no?
If those claims are indeed true, then it's highly disturbing and most definitely should be investigated by the police.

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^^ I'm not calling them sluts per say but they seem like an exhibitionist bunch. Abbey said she really enjoyed it in an interview as well...

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I never thought his work is degrading towards women... I just thought it was interesting and funny... but when I saw that calendar he did for Vanity Fair I thought it was disgusting ony because the girls were just naked doing random things, then I thought it was quite fun. Women aren't even that classy anymore. Theres always a lesbian thing going on and it seems to be accepted more by society than guy on guy. If he did guy on guy would it be degrading towards men...? Why do women gotta be like "omg he shot two women kissing eachother and blowing his penis! I feel degraded!" Get over it, if you dont like it than dont look at it!

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It was different, I didnt saw Toni making out with Katrin in that shoot
and which point are you trying to make. It almost seems l ike you want to call Magda,Eniko, Abbey and Freja a combo of sl¨ts, which I think they are not.
I'm glad that i missed that photography, it was marked as pornography, poor model
Exactly!! There's a difference between tasteful nudes and just plain pornography.


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You can't criticize him when the entire industry basically puts 15 year olds in sheer tops and mini-skirts and tells them to act sexy. This whole thread is a giant hypocritical mess.

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^^Exactly the point I was trying to make! The picture I posted of Richardson's "artwork" got removed and edited by a mod, and labeled as porn. What now, are his supporters gonna defend that as artistic porn? Because there is no way in hell that picture was artistic. Horribly executed angle, unearthly glare from the unadjusted external flash (like all of his other shots)... It looked like one of those druken homemade porn shots taken by a cheap Sony digicam. Even professional porn looks more artistic than that.

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I think the reason why Terry is a target for such accusations in an industry where sexualizing young women is standard practice is because he takes things to such a sleazy extreme that it sticks out. Meisel can shoot a naked model in a provocative pose and it won't come off as degrading or uncomfortable. Mert & Marcus can shoot a naked model in a provocative pose and it won't seem degrading or uncomfortable. So many photographers produce work that teeters precariously on the edge of vulgarity, but Richardson's work nosedives off that edge and splatters on the ground below more often than not. His work may not actually be exploitative, although I'd have to suspend reality for a minute to actually believe that, but it certainly feels exploitative, like a dirty old porn producer asking a fresh outta high school cutie to do things she's not comfortable doing at an audition. I don't think any other fashion photographer's work can really be described as seeming that way.
Exactly. Richardson is the epitome of what's wrong with the fashion industry. There are so many others who could join the list, but he's the extreme. And the fact that so many people put him high up on a pedestal just makes us prone to targeting him more than anyone else.

I hope Rie inspires more models to stand up against Terry Richardson.


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Women aren't even that classy anymore.
Well, alrightey then........



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For the record, I'm sure most of us here are fully aware that the industry itself is also responsible for putting underage girls in more adult positions. We know that. Richardson is just so explicit about it, almost like he's rubbing it in our faces like "haha, I can get away with doing this!!" with that dumb grin on his face & two thumbs up.
That's why we're criticizing him, so no I don't think any of us are being hypocrites in that sense.

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^ I agree with this notion.
I understand there are double standards in this industry but really Terry's aesthetic view in his photography is not always to my liking (given some exceptions)

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so basically Rie is saying that young girls are unable to think by themselves, isn't she ? that's another form of degrading women
The thing is though, remember when you were 16. It is alot different to when you are an adult with adult maturity and have lived in the real world for a number of years.
Personally, when I was 15 or 16 I was the most naive, ignorant, little girl about. If I was a model I would have easily been manipulated by a "famous" high powered person I would have known I shouldn't do it but I would not have felt empowered to stop it. However, now I know being in my 20's I would never stand for someone basically taking vogues version of porn with me involved in any way. Perhaps there were teens with more street smarts than I did but I know there are still loads that didn't/don't.

If he wants to keep doing work like this he could get some decent money from making trash for xtube not for a womans high-class fashion magazine.

(this isn't directed at you Birkin) Saying that it is just sex is kind of disgusting. It really doesn't cut it, there are young underage girls involved, they can't speak english a lot of the time and they are being taken advantage of by some big, old, ugly man with a camera. Its statutory rape under the court of law.

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It's good someone with some prominence said something because it's hardly talked about in the fashion industry.

Killing US Softly 3, a documentary about the representation of women through advertisement discusses this very subject.

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I think the reason why Terry is a target for such accusations in an industry where sexualizing young women is standard practice is because he takes things to such a sleazy extreme that it sticks out. Meisel can shoot a naked model in a provocative pose and it won't come off as degrading or uncomfortable. Mert & Marcus can shoot a naked model in a provocative pose and it won't seem degrading or uncomfortable. So many photographers produce work that teeters precariously on the edge of vulgarity, but Richardson's work nosedives off that edge and splatters on the ground below more often than not. His work may not actually be exploitative, although I'd have to suspend reality for a minute to actually believe that, but it certainly feels exploitative, like a dirty old porn producer asking a fresh outta high school cutie to do things she's not comfortable doing at an audition. I don't think any other fashion photographer's work can really be described as seeming that way.
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But that's the all point of him. These famous male fashion photographers have the most beautiful women of the world at their disposal, make them do whatever they want, just look at most of Lara's pics not taken by Terry, and then present themselfs to to the world all blasé, like their eye is only artistic, like the fact that you have a women or a girl that you hardly Know willing to do and pose according to your wishes, is not in any way or form giving you a power and even a sex kick . Terry is having none of it, he knows he's lucky to make beautiful girls strip for him, yes he know most men would kill for his job, and he will give it the thumbs up like any old perv that would happen to be as lucky has him.

I totally agree with Harumi's post, and yes the pornographic pics are made with porn actress, or random ordinary women that do not mind being pictured like that. No risk of a young bright eyed model being sent to him, by a reputable agency. PLus he has certain types that he chooses on purpose, that are far from what Vogue thinks a woman should look like.

Like Harumi said , No i also do not find other persons idea of sexuality demeaning, do I think women that are into submission etc, or that allow themselfs to being photographed in hardcore situations are offensive to me as a women? Not really, adult sexuality is very complex area and it does not in any way conform into simplistic views of sexism.
Everything has it's place.

He's not the only artist, or the first to try to elevate pornography to an art form,Jeff Koons based half of his multi million artistic career on pornographic pics with his porn actress wife Cicciolina, a lot of very important artists have X rated work, involving torture and all sort degrading and scatological acts. Art does not have to be beautiful, or pleasing to be art. Do i like his pornographic work? Not all of it. He's no Nan Goldin. But I do think he excels in fashion and celebrity photography.


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has anyone got a link to the purple editiorial with magda, freja, eniko and abbey lee?

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^http://fashiongonerogue.com/2009/09/...ee-for-purple/


On a side note, Rie Rasmussen is an amazing woman.

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Her first feature film entitled 'Human Zoo' she wrote, directed and produced. 'Human Zoo' was officially selected at 2009's Berlin Film Festival and opened the Panorama section. It is a drama loosely based on the story of her adopted Vietnamese sister struggling to get her citizenship, set against the backdrop of the conflict in Kosovo. The film highlights the problems with immigration and learned aggression, told in a non linear storytelling structure with extreme violence throughout the human tale.
She actually flew to Afghanistan to work for a women's rights organization there, partly as research for her film. This woman has seen a lot.

Oh and this wasn't published in the original article I posted, but "Rie was upset because Richardson used her picture in his "Terryworld" book alongside shots of half-naked young girls depicted as performing sex acts."

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