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She could end up winning the sue but loosing in the fashion industry, do you think big magazines will want to work with her again?
Sorry, big but not that big.

Now if she has this no nudity thing, she might as well do only catalogues, I used to like Coco but she has become so annoying and over her head, that I can't really have simpathy for her in this situation.

Maybe that's why she is branching to other areas so much.

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^Come on its Elle Brazil for gods sake. Its hardly a fashion bible.

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Does it matter if C. Rocha is not Giselle or the most successful model? Please, get over yourselves. She ask for something and the Elle team disrespectful her with this, doesn't matter if she's not nude or if the cover doesn't show to much. People need to understand the models are mannequins, but they're not made of plastic. As voyeurs, it's really easy for us to judge, i don't follow Rocha's career, so i don't know if she's congruent, but talking about THIS i think she made it right.

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She might be just a model to you guys but I respect her point of view. It is HER image after all and thats all you have as a model. Good on her for not compromising!
Unless she owns the copyright to this image she actually has no control of it (especially for editorial use). Just because a photo is taken of you doesn't mean you have any say in how or why it's used, unless you own the copyright or have a contract and stipulations set up. I'm interested in seeing how this will all play out. I wonder if she'll actually do something about them violating her contract (if they did at all). I mean the magazine had to have known that this would be violating it, so I am wondering what her contract actually says.

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She could end up winning the sue but loosing in the fashion industry, do you think big magazines will want to work with her again?
Sorry, big but not that big.

Now if she has this no nudity thing, she might as well do only catalogues, I used to like Coco but she has become so annoying and over her head, that I can't really have simpathy for her in this situation.

Maybe that's why she is branching to other areas so much.
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^You are so right.

Many people are trying to justify situations like that by saying that the model is too demanding or picky. The thing is that the only way that this industry is going to move forward is if people speak out and try to improve things.
Completely agree.
I recently had to do a speech for my communications class and I chose a topic regarding the issues young models face. What Coco is doing may be a small contribution, but it's a step forward for models having their working conditions improved. I really recommend all of you to watch Sara Ziff's documentary about models. There's a reason she's worked tremendously hard for a models union to be created.

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I respect Coco for having the courage to speak out about this. However, I do think she may be a bit overreacting, but I suppose it is necessary in this industry to speak out every time and only then models will be (more) respected.
But it is also one of her best covers IMO.
I'm hoping for a comment from Elle Brazil about all of this.

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I respect if she spoke out if there actually was nudity? I see none! She is acting like all of her boobs are hanging out for all to see which they are not
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Unless she owns the copyright to this image she actually has no control of it (especially for editorial use). Just because a photo is taken of you doesn't mean you have any say in how or why it's used, unless you own the copyright or have a contract and stipulations set up. I'm interested in seeing how this will all play out. I wonder if she'll actually do something about them violating her contract (if they did at all). I mean the magazine had to have known that this would be violating it, so I am wondering what her contract actually says.
If she truly had a written and verbal contract with them, then she DOES have some semblance of control. Its kind of similar to what happened when a photographer sold Lara's pictures to French Playboy, and I believe she won that case. I'm also eager to see how Coco handles this.

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^^I agree with you, I just think that if it bothers her, she should speak because if no one ever speaks, then no changes will ever happen.

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I want to know if she´ll sue and what´s Elle Brazil´s statement... otherwise I think this thread will be closed soon cause all we seem to talk about is if she´s right or not to have spoken up

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Unless she owns the copyright to this image she actually has no control of it (especially for editorial use). Just because a photo is taken of you doesn't mean you have any say in how or why it's used, unless you own the copyright or have a contract and stipulations set up.
That's incorrect. If the events occurred as she says they did, she can definitely sue for breach of contract. I'm pretty sure publications know beforehand what a model's contract says she can and will not do. After all, that's why agencies exist.

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That's incorrect. If the events occurred as she says they did, she can definitely sue for breach of contract. I'm pretty sure publications know beforehand what a model's contract says she can and will not do. After all, that's why agencies exist.
What's incorrect? I basically said the same thing you're saying. If she had a contract they clearly violated it, however people are saying that she "owns" her image just because it's a photo of her. The person who owns the copyright of the image owns it, which does not mean that they can just do whatever they want with it if there's a contract with certain specifications involved.

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I do respect her for raising her voice. Photoshopping her pic to make it seem like she didn't - that calls into question Elle BR's intention all along. After all, if they wanted her to take a pic like that, she wouldn't have worn the additional coverage...

But, Coco gurllll, let's not pretend that any model can throw out their list of do's and don't's and actually have people listen to them, let alone get booked for jobs. Coco is an established model - she's not Gisele, but she's established and in some ways she has the ability to call these shots. Good for her. But any aspiring model trying to follow her noble path will likely find themselves not booking any jobs, and will soon be dropped by his/her agency.

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I love everything that's been happening in regards to the Model Alliance, I admire the girls involved in that for taking a stand and making people understand that they cannot continue to be treated like disposable objects and in conditions that aren't even that frequent in the third world anymore.

That said, I feel like this is a bad move from Coco, in the fact that while she has every right to 'battle' in favor of her personal choices, she picked the wrong battle this time, without talking about how her contract is written, the picture is not denigrating or a misrepresentation of her past work in any way, it celebrates her beauty and the beauty of the garment while simultaneously also respecting her dignity (visually) and the person behind said garment and behind the styling of the story, because, while perhaps a lot of models (and their fans) feel like they image is all about them, it is also about an entire group of people striving like Coco to build a body of work that hopefully honors their aesthetic and wishes within a business.. if I was a stylist, I honestly would not want my cover with the models' undergarments showing so the fact that she had the freedom to alter styling and wear a bodysuit (and not just cover her nipples for example) and is now upset because the image is not how she hoped it to look only speaks to me.. not necessarily for a lack of professionalism but certainly a lack of acknowledgement of what her work consists of.. and then sense of teamwork. And this isn't new, it's been a while she's been presenting herself as far more omnipotent than she really is.. accusing an industry of being callous and superficial and blaming it all on body perception when in reality (partially at least), you could tell from day one that her type of beauty called more for hype than for longevity, which is exactly what happened.

It's a fantastic time for models to take action on really important issues that violate most countries' laws on labour and human rights, I feel like controversies like this not only deviate the attention and credibility they're trying to generate but also molds the cause and in a way strengthens the arguments of those that sympathise with archaic practices within modeling.

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