Vogue Italia March 2012 : Joan Smalls by Steven Meisel - Page 16

danielwarhol · 08-03-2012

My sentiments were expressed already.....He could've did something so great with this, but it turned out to be quite tasteless.....I'm quite appalled to be honest.

And the IRONY in it being JOAN on the front cover (her first at that)...

MON · 08-03-2012

The editorial turned out to be so cheap! This looks cheaper than some of Terry's tasteless mess! What a mess? The styling is horrendous, snas the layout!

Im disappointed because it's not at par with the beautiful! I love the concet but meisel went overboard wth the idea

Darling_Myy · 08-03-2012

The main editorial kind of reminds me of 'Live on the Web' (January 2007). I'm not from the US and don't know / get all the stereotypes portrayed in the editorial so I can't really understand how shocking it feels to some members.

Meisel in american, but maybe we should remember this is Italian Vogue, and the target audience is, after all, italian readers. I don't know how much Vogue Italia sells outside of Italy, but I don't think many people who are not very interested in fashion would buy it. After all, all the articles are in italian. Maybe in Italy an editorial portraying something like mafia would be considered shocking (though I don't know since I'm not italian), but I don't think it would cause any kind of conversation of is it 'right' or 'suitable'.

All in all, I think it's kind of appalling how people are accusing Joan of participating in this editorial. She's an adult and should be able to do any kind of editorials she wants without having to think 'are my fans going to think this is offensive'.

**Flashbang** · 08-03-2012

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2ou3choses · 08-03-2012

^I could be wrong, but it looks like Marie is the only model, no?

Kanna · 08-03-2012

That's such a fantastic HC portfolio. Sheerly beautiful.

mikel · 08-03-2012

Regarding the main editorial: is it really mocking certain subcultures? Couldn't it be a hommage? Perhaps Meisel is celebrating their style.

pellucid · 08-03-2012

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Originally Posted by tentalicious

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Arizona Muse by Paolo Roversi
Editor: Jacob K

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rubyshimmer · 08-03-2012

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Originally Posted by mikel

Regarding the main editorial: is it really mocking certain subcultures? Couldn't it be a hommage? Perhaps Meisel is celebrating their style.

Its pretty obvious this is supposed to be a mocking and not celebration of style. Meisel is a master photographer and if he wanted to do an homage or celebrate the artistry of a subculture's style, he could do it plainly where no one would even question it. The editorial was probably just supposed to be a light hearted attempt at humor.It's pretty obvious he thinks the style is funny, trashy, and distateful with the references to Joan in the urinal with her legs spread, tuna, the baby changing station in the fast food restaurant. (Also so many references to babies, and they made the one model appear pregnant.)

Anyway, I'm not sure of TFS's rules or else I would post it here myself, but celebrity seaborn, one of the hairstylists that Meisel mocked in the shoot, recently did a shoot for a magazine. You can see that even with the crazy and out there hair styles the models are portrayed with dignity.

alonsoJonathan · 08-03-2012

i dont know how he is making fun of black people?
i mean yeah some Pictures do look related to the black community,but not all of them.
some of them are sooo Cholas.

but i dont see what is that he is making fun of black people?
i mean he is not lol of them,he is just showing the way they do their hair.+++ way more over the top.

Pradable · 08-03-2012

The couture ed is fantastic and fascinating. I'm not going to talk about the main editorial 'cuz my opinion was expressed already...

BTW happy women's day

FemmeFatale · 08-03-2012

nvm....

alonsoJonathan · 08-03-2012

mockery? really.

i will said is more like imitating the way some people dress. i really dont see at what point he is imitating or making fun of it. like i said b4 to me he is imitating

thankyouhon · 08-03-2012

I also realized something else about the main editorial that bothered me.

Putting all the race/class issues aside, it doesn't even seem as if Meisel did any research for this. It's like he googled the most outlandish pics of black hair styles (as we can see by the side by side comparisons), threw in stereotypes about malt liquor, weaves and single mothers and called it a day. That's just lazy. He didn't treat the style with any respect whatsoever.

Also, I would not blame Joan for working on this. It would be career suicide to say no to one of the top photographers in the industry. Models of color get very few opportunities and I don't blame her for taking it. Also the fact that she is not American, she may have been somewhat ignorant of what the implications were.

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danielwarhol scenester Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Garden of Eden Gender: homme Posts: 66	My sentiments were expressed already.....He could've did something so great with this, but it turned out to be quite tasteless.....I'm quite appalled to be honest. And the IRONY in it being JOAN on the front cover (her first at that)... __________________ There is fashion, and then there is McQueen.

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Darling_Myy tfs star Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in the Moominvalley :) Gender: femme Posts: 1,890	The main editorial kind of reminds me of 'Live on the Web' (January 2007). I'm not from the US and don't know / get all the stereotypes portrayed in the editorial so I can't really understand how shocking it feels to some members. Meisel in american, but maybe we should remember this is Italian Vogue, and the target audience is, after all, italian readers. I don't know how much Vogue Italia sells outside of Italy, but I don't think many people who are not very interested in fashion would buy it. After all, all the articles are in italian. Maybe in Italy an editorial portraying something like mafia would be considered shocking (though I don't know since I'm not italian), but I don't think it would cause any kind of conversation of is it 'right' or 'suitable'. All in all, I think it's kind of appalling how people are accusing Joan of participating in this editorial. She's an adult and should be able to do any kind of editorials she wants without having to think 'are my fans going to think this is offensive'. __________________ . Fanni Boström .

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mikel V.I.P. Join Date: Sep 2005 Gender: homme Posts: 22,770	Regarding the main editorial: is it really mocking certain subcultures? Couldn't it be a hommage? Perhaps Meisel is celebrating their style. __________________ "I'm not sorry... I'm sorry that I didn't make it clear that it was a joke. But I can't be sorry for what I said—it's against my nature." Lars von Trier Last edited by mikel; 08-03-2012 at 06:41 AM.

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alonsoJonathan V.I.P. Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Gender: homme Posts: 4,972	i dont know how he is making fun of black people? i mean yeah some Pictures do look related to the black community,but not all of them. some of them are sooo Cholas. but i dont see what is that he is making fun of black people? i mean he is not lol of them,he is just showing the way they do their hair.+++ way more over the top. __________________ Anja Rubik,Isabeli Fontana,Natasha Poly

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FemmeFatale rising star Join Date: Jun 2008 Gender: femme Posts: 159	nvm.... Last edited by FemmeFatale; 08-03-2012 at 10:37 AM.

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alonsoJonathan V.I.P. Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Gender: homme Posts: 4,972	mockery? really. i will said is more like imitating the way some people dress. i really dont see at what point he is imitating or making fun of it. like i said b4 to me he is imitating __________________ Anja Rubik,Isabeli Fontana,Natasha Poly

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thankyouhon scenester Join Date: Oct 2010 Gender: femme Posts: 81	I also realized something else about the main editorial that bothered me. Putting all the race/class issues aside, it doesn't even seem as if Meisel did any research for this. It's like he googled the most outlandish pics of black hair styles (as we can see by the side by side comparisons), threw in stereotypes about malt liquor, weaves and single mothers and called it a day. That's just lazy. He didn't treat the style with any respect whatsoever. Also, I would not blame Joan for working on this. It would be career suicide to say no to one of the top photographers in the industry. Models of color get very few opportunities and I don't blame her for taking it. Also the fact that she is not American, she may have been somewhat ignorant of what the implications were.

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