[Symetrie]

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Originally Posted by Guessgirl96 those tom ford photos look like blatant porn

Seriously.

[Joseph26]

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Originally Posted by Spike413 If this was directed to me or my post, I dare you to tell me that we don't live in a world where war is an unfortunately normal part of everyday life for millions of people both directly and indirectly involved. If by saying so I'm neither spiritual nor humane then so f-ing be it. I stand by my posts. If it wasn't directed at me or my post then ignore this entirely and please don't start another useless debate.

I guess we are talking about different perspectives, the French sociologist Emile Durkheim indicated in his Rules of Sociological Method that the most common behavior in a society is considered normal

Presence of normality

• Mainstream
• Temperance (virtue)
• Equilibrium
• Stability
• Reality
• Peace
• Health
• Middle way

Absence of normality

• Eccentricity (behavior)
• Perversion
• Paraphilia
• Disease
• Disability
• Mental illness
• Addiction
• War
• Crime
• Fantasy
• Dream
• Hallucination
• Illusion
• Individualism

the terms "normal" and "normality" are really very relative concepts so I don't want to start a debate, the only thing I know is the war is not normal to me.

[tigerrouge]

That said, if fashion magazines shouldn't touch upon the aesthetics of war, then we should equally censure all novels, dramas, TV shows, films etc that use a war backdrop, if their primary purpose is entertainment, rather than education.

Everyone at some point in their past has enjoyed a good movie about a conflict that didn't touch their day-to-day life. The artistic liberties weren't offensive to you at that moment because the conflict wasn't personal to you. But as soon as war becomes a personal part of your life, then it suddenly becomes a serious and offensive matter.

[kiefers]

But that Vogue Italia editorial did not educate, it glamorized the concept. How can war be entertaining? War has never been a person part of my life but I know people who have been through it and seen horrible things so for you sitting at your computer telling me that its normal is crazy. The only normality is where its occuring. I don't mind movies/fashion magazine that EDUCATE but making an editorial merely to use the old meme 'shock factor' and GLAMORIZE it is wrong.

[MissMagAddict]

I thought this thread was about ads not editorials

[Spike413]

^ But I think tigerrouge's point was that other forms of entertainment that focus on a war story don't seek to educate either. Take Saving Private Ryan for example, even though it was a very personal sort of story, it wasn't being viewed as education. Even if it was intended to educate, most if not all people went to see it to be entertained whether by the action or the drama.

[TeeKay]

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Originally Posted by laodicean model Bar Rafaeli for Israeli fashion house Irit for their Summer 2007 campaign I saw this posted a few places with people offended by it source livejournal

IMO, i think these are fine
in what way do those people find them offensive? i am intrigue to know

[HeaTk]

^ me too maybe in nieve (sp?) but i dont get it

[emma peel]

^um, perhaps because you have a spoiled white woman being served by her semi-nude black slaves?!

[HeaTk]

^ weird cause all i saw was women not color

[papa_levante]

I see that the other servant girls are a tad darker. They also have their hair up. Now, this is not an analysis because I see nothing wrong either, but if we're pointing stuff out symbolically...

[Joseph26]

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Originally Posted by kiefers War has never been a person part of my life but I know people who have been through it and seen horrible things so for you sitting at your computer telling me that its normal is crazy.

Exactly! karma for that

[TeeKay]

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^ me too maybe in nieve (sp?) but i dont get it

What do u mean by nieve?

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^um, perhaps because you have a spoiled white woman being served by her semi-nude black slaves?!

so is colour what this is about? well u have a point, but like HeaTk said, all I see is a bunch of pretty women, not the colour. I think it depends on what kind of person you are, if you often have this racial thing in mind, then maybe you see differently?

[cestmagique]

About the Vogue Italia editorial, being a photographer who works in the fashion industry doesn't exclude you from also being a person living and feeling on planet earth... it's not like Meisel's profession makes him less worthy than others to have something to say about war! Making an editorial about it seems like the obvious thing to do; he is working and expressing himself within his chosen medium. My only problem with the editorial is its quality. It really lacks a clear, consistent statement and that makes it too easy to write off as tasteless fluff.

[emma peel]

but how come the BLACK women are serving the WHITE one who is always framed at the center and as the center of attention and not the other way around? if no one was thinking about it when they made the images, then they are really just stuck in the same rut of representing blacks as subordinate to whites that is emblematized by the long history of racial prejudice. if they did do it intentionally, then its obviously pretty racist.

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Originally Posted by TeeKay What do u mean by nieve? so is colour what this is about? well u have a point, but like HeaTk said, all I see is a bunch of pretty women, not the colour. I think it depends on what kind of person you are, if you often have this racial thing in mind, then maybe you see differently?